So no job adjustments in 5.2?

[BarretOblivion]

use raw intuition then lol

The fact you don't get the idea that NF is terrible as a required OT skill is the fact you don't get. All the other tanks have a far more superior OT skill being usefull in fights to help mitigation. WAR's NF is awful, 10% is the same as a reprisal... and the heal is only good for the WAR themselves... your OT who would need the skill only gets 50% of the healing.

[FallenWings]

Til a ~60k self heal, ~30k target heal and 10% mitigation for target is worse than a 30k shield for one target. /s

[Argyle_Darkheart]

Nascent Flash is amazing and is honestly the only thing keeping WAR competitive.

I can appreciate, to a certain extent, the frustration with requiring a target and/or encouraging macro use, but blanket statements like "Nf is terrible" are simply ridiculous.

[Aurida]

Til a ~60k self heal, ~30k target heal and 10% mitigation for target is worse than a 30k shield for one target. /s

What hits are these off-tank WARs letting their other tank take, anyway? I know I ain't falling down in one shot if I don't get a boosted Intervention. You get the best invuln in the game and the ability to nearly fully heal yourself after using it but complain because targeting it is inconvenient.

You know what, sure- just add the lifesteal to raw intuition too. Maybe also give Maim a potency increase to even out the 5% DPS difference between tanks cuz no WAY should someone with a wimpy sword should be outdamaging me, the guy with the huge axe, and hey wait why is everyone running double WAR now?

[Nedkel]

I hate it for the sole reason of requiring second player to activate it.

It heals the same as bloodbath, only 50% of dealt damage is coming back to us in form of HP and has only 6 seconds meaning you really could only fit in 3 GCD and have to line it up with you best skills to get most out, so basically you cant use it whenever its up and if you do you are gimping yourself by doing so.
Its a terrible skill and requires a macro which makes it even worse, because macro has to contain several lines of code and is INCREDIBLY slow to use (and sometimes just does not work after pressing you have to press this trash multiple times because macros in this game are completely retarded) which makes double weaving with infuriate a pure nightmare. To make most out of it you need to use it with infuriate, but you cant do it without clipping it into your GCD. This particular ability messes up so badly that i end up not using it at all.

I would pay real money for it being replaced with blood bath, i hate it with passion i dont care for a healing to second person or any damage reduction, its trash anyway and it could go away.

[Aurelius2625]

Are you for real dawg? WHAT DOUBLE WEAVING ON WAR? OMEGALUL.

"It's trash and worse than bloodbath"...what? What is this even? It's literally a 60k heal if used properly FOR FREE. PLD has to jank their entire rotation to get what you get for free. In IR it's outrageous. You should ALWAYS have ONE charge of Infuriate so at bear minimum that's a 27k-ish heal FOR FREE. Just doing a single weave with a macro. WAR has NO double weaves.

NF is the only tank CD that can be used after the fact, to heal up after damage has happened other than GNB's aurora, which is far, far inferior to NF's heal. Because of that, Holmgang is no where near as bad as LD is for DRK. In fact, with Equilibrium and NF boosted by Thrill, you get so much healing that it's not even a bother to be at 1hp anymore.

NF literally makes you immortal for AoE situations.

NF is far, far better than Raw. In the amount that you heal it takes raw like lethal levels of damage being done to, to even come close to mitigating the same amount of healing you get from NF.

[Brandedblade]

The fact you don't get the idea that NF is terrible as a required OT skill is the fact you don't get. All the other tanks have a far more superior OT skill being usefull in fights to help mitigation. WAR's NF is awful, 10% is the same as a reprisal... and the heal is only good for the WAR themselves... your OT who would need the skill only gets 50% of the healing.

That video on youtube where the person is discussing how powerful NF is in alex ultimate would disagree.

[Kalise]

TFW as a Gunbreaker, I'd kill to have Raw Intuition's 20% mitigation instead of Heart of Stone's 15%...

Meanwhile, Warrior's are complaining about how annoying it is to use their, superior, "Ally" skill for mitigation via healing and how much it "Sucks".

50% healing off of 3 GCD's (On a job focused around landing big crits) and 10% damage reduction.

vs

15% damage reduction and a 3k shield (Isn't Heart of Stone just great!?)

Oh, and with NF, the Warrior who cast it is also getting a truckload of HP to boot while GNB, PLD and DRK get NOTHING when they cast their ally skill on an ally.

[BarretOblivion]

TFW as a Gunbreaker, I'd kill to have Raw Intuition's 20% mitigation instead of Heart of Stone's 15%...

Meanwhile, Warrior's are complaining about how annoying it is to use their, superior, "Ally" skill for mitigation via healing and how much it "Sucks".

50% healing off of 3 GCD's (On a job focused around landing big crits) and 10% damage reduction.

vs

15% damage reduction and a 3k shield (Isn't Heart of Stone just great!?)

Oh, and with NF, the Warrior who cast it is also getting a truckload of HP to boot while GNB, PLD and DRK get NOTHING when they cast their ally skill on an ally.

DRK gets thier MP back in the form of a free cast on edge or flood. PLD shares a cooldown with thier co-tank giving them 50% of thier mitigation +10% which helps both when split tankbusters exist. GNBs Heart of Stone is Free and doesn't override another cooldown.

What's your point? Oh yeah you could possibly get a big heal that is reduced by 50% on a tankbuster... if you plan to do so and hold off on skills to set it up. Or you could just... have an impactful OT skill without any need for much set up for basically the same benifit.

[Kalise]

DRK gets thier MP back in the form of a free cast on edge or flood.

They get their MP back...

Meanwhile, NF costs nothing...

PLD shares a cooldown with thier co-tank giving them 50% of thier mitigation +10% which helps both when split tankbusters exist.

PLD doesn't get anything from using Intervention.

Popping another CD doesn't count as getting something from the skill.

GNBs Heart of Stone is Free and doesn't override another cooldown.

Yeah, but it only affects ONE target. You can use it on yourself OR on an ally.

NF gives healing to the Warrior that uses it AND gives healing and DR to the ally it's used on.

What's your point? Oh yeah you could possibly get a big heal that is reduced by 50% on a tankbuster... if you plan to do so and hold off on skills to set it up. Or you could just... have an impactful OT skill without any need for much set up for basically the same benifit.

Even with 0 set up, you get basically a better HoS from your 123 combo plus the 10% DR since that'll push out a lot more healing than the garbage that is the shared Brutal Shell shield which will likely outperform the measly 5% DR difference.

If you actually play with half a brain, you'll float an Infuriate charge and be able to use that to get a massive burst heal out on demand.

Also, again, NO OTHER TANK IN THE GAME gets a defensive boost from using their ally skill on an ally.

Meanwhile, most Warriors ignore their "Self" skill, because the defensive bonus they recieve from their "Ally" skill is far superior. (Especially when you consider diminishing returns on stacked damage reduction CD's making healing and shielding even stronger during times when you'd also be popping Rampart/your 30% CD)