It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Lambdafish]

As has been ruthlessly debating about throughout this thread, this is also a completely subjective viewpoint. It's moot to keep going on about it. Instead, why don't we discuss another issue that has been mentioned throughout this thread, albeit indirectly?

People keep saying dev time this and dev resources that, but it remains that Square Enix is, contrary to what the memes might indicate, an enormous company with lots of money and resources. Why must we have to sacrifice one potential feature in favor of another, when we could have both?

Let's discuss that, please.

Ok, the ability to change the look of a character outright already exists in the aesthetitician, albeit only for your own character. This same technology exists in the benchmark. Not to mention that the glamour system itself is evidence of the ability to alter gear appearance without affecting gear stats.

Under my limited understanding of how the system works, implementing this request would not be difficult due to the systems already existing, just not for other players.

I have said in this thread previously, that this request opens up the possibility of a better glamour system as it solves the immersion problem regarding role locked gear, and allows for easily identifiable jobs if they player wants that. This means that with this feature in place, the ability for a player to glamour anything to their job becomes much easier to ask for. That alone makes this a valuable request to even those who are against it.


Edit: I should also add that the sheer fact that mods exist that do exactly what this feature is asking, there's no reason why SE can't easily create a system that does similar

[Nariel]

As has been ruthlessly debating about throughout this thread, this is also a completely subjective viewpoint. It's moot to keep going on about it. Instead, why don't we discuss another issue that has been mentioned throughout this thread, albeit indirectly?

People keep saying dev time this and dev resources that, but it remains that Square Enix is, contrary to what the memes might indicate, an enormous company with lots of money and resources. Why must we have to sacrifice one potential feature in favor of another, when we could have both?

Let's discuss that, please.

Just because the compagny make a lot of money doesn't mean the team working on FFXIV get a bigger budget every time, shareholder does and we all know too well how its going in every game compagny nowaday.

Plus even if they get more money doesn't imply every aspect of the game get an upgrade, new staff need to be trained to the engine, project have to be endorsed to put mere example.

Under my limited understanding of how the system works, implementing this request would not be difficult due to the systems already existing, just not for other players

And under my limited understanding on how physics works, moving to the speed of light would not be difficult due to light already moving at this speed.

[Cithaerias_pyropina]

As has been ruthlessly debating about throughout this thread, this is also a completely subjective viewpoint. It's moot to keep going on about it. Instead, why don't we discuss another issue that has been mentioned throughout this thread, albeit indirectly?

People keep saying dev time this and dev resources that, but it remains that Square Enix is, contrary to what the memes might indicate, an enormous company with lots of money and resources. Why must we have to sacrifice one potential feature in favor of another, when we could have both?

Let's discuss that, please.

Alright I'll bite, if this game has near infinite resources like you so claim it to have, why are they implementing less dungeons, why do dancer or gunbreaker not have the other crafted primal weapons, why are they constantly reusing assets instead of making new items or enemies, why can't I use glamour plates outside of cities, why hasn't a lot of the terrible spaghetti code been fixed yet?

If Square Enix really is that massive corporation, why isn't the game getting enough resources to fix all those issues?

[Lambdafish]

And under my limited understanding on how physics works, moving to the speed of light would not be difficult due to light already moving at this speed, just not like the sound.

Your comment reads like you read the words "Under my limited understanding" and nothing else in my post. The fact is that the technology already exists in the game, your comment doesn't change that fact.

[DumdogsWorld]

Alright I'll bite, if this game has near infinite resources like you so claim it to have, why are they implementing less dungeons, why do dancer or gunbreaker not have the other crafted primal weapons, why are they constantly reusing assets instead of making new items or enemies, why can't I use glamour plates outside of cities, why hasn't a lot of the terrible spaghetti code been fixed yet?

If Square Enix really is that massive corporation, why isn't the game getting enough resources to fix all those issues?

Those are good questions. Why can't Square Enix do all those things? They're not really a small indie company who needs you to understand.

And under my limited understanding on how physics works, moving to the speed of light would not be difficult due to light already moving at this speed.

Errrr, light is not designed by human beings, but computer systems are. Again, if a single programmer could not figure out how to do this in less than a day, then the engine is beyond saving anyway and is being artificially propped up.

[Nariel]

Your comment reads like you read the words "Under my limited understanding" and nothing else in my post. The fact is that the technology already exists in the game, your comment doesn't change that fact.

And could you care to explain how being able to switch predefined gear appeareance on our character mean dev's can just put an option to switch off the displayed gear of every other character on your screen ? And by explain I mean can you actually expand on how the system work actualy, because all your example consist of are assuption based on surface observation, just like I can assume every star in the galaxy is the same because they more or like have the same color and size in the sky.

[DumdogsWorld]

And could you care to explain how being able to switch predefined gear appeareance on our character mean dev's can just put an option to switch off the displayed gear of every other character on your screen ? And by explain I mean can you actually expand on how the system work actualy, because all your example consist of are assuption based on surface observation, just like I can assume every star in the galaxy is the same because they more or like have the same color and size in the sky.

I mean, if somebody really wanted to, they could open up the 32-bit client in OllyDbg or something. Stare at the asm for long enough and you'll eventually map out what it all means.

But no, don't post about your results here if you try.

[Penthea]

Get over yourself please, nobody is going to bully you because you look like a default SCH on one particular persons screen.

Get over myself? A person who wants to be able to change other people's clothes without their consent, because they can't bear the thought of differing tastes, is telling me to get over myself? While I'm fine with everyone dressing how they wish? This would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

I don't want people to be able to take screenshots of my character in a revealing outfit that I did not even put on. And apparently I am unreasonable for this?

I did get harassed a long time ago in WoW, in the days before transmog/glam, by some people who for some reason thought my character was their fantasy. They commented on my character's body because the gear I had on happened to reveal her skin in the places that they liked. It was over quickly with GM intervention, but the point is it happened before and it wasn't only once. By removing my glam and putting me into AF or the default models of my gear, you are removing what little power I have to not go through this again.

I know someone who got harassed through screenshots uploaded to a third party site, again in the days before transmog/glam in WoW. And the GMs could do nothing about it because there was no way for them to figure out who took the screenshots. That player ended up shelfing that character and starting a new one (you couldn't server transfer or change name back then) because that was the only way they could escape the harassment without quitting the game.

I have been playing mmorpgs for a super long time, and I have seen a lot of ugly things and encountered a lot of creepy people. The concerns I voice here don't come from thin air.

Many keep saying "AF gear!" but have a good long look at some of it, and you'll find there are some pieces on females that with the correct camera angles, could easily result in an uncompromising screenshot. And don't start with your "bUt It'S iN pRoMoTiOnAl MaTeRiAl" crap, because that doesn't hold a candle when the argument is whether you want to wear something potentially revealing or not, not whether you think it's bad for promoting the game or not.

Whatever you say, nothing changes that my character is mine, and I don't want my character to be forced to be someone else's fantasy because an option forced her clothes to change into something more revealing without my consent.

I said in my last post, which is further down on the same page as the one you quoted, that I would be able to tolerate the option to remove glam if unglamming put people into modest outfits. That you have chosen to completely ignore this, and then decide to tell me that my concerns over having my character be undressed without my consent are somehow stupid, can only lead me to think that you actually are in support of forcing other people's characters into clothing more revealing than they may actually want.

Harassment is way easier with the tools we currently have. Shall we just remove gpose because someone can edit what you are doing? Should be ban screenshots entirely because you can't handle being in a public space? Should we ban chat because it allows strangers to talk to you?

No, just do not let people control the appearance of other player's characters that could be abused by creeps getting off on seeing something they normally would not be able to see. If this is difficult to understand then frankly you're not qualified to think of the ramifications of allowing players to control the appearance of other people.

We have report tools for a reason, and you always run the risk of negativity in a public space whether it be in game or outside of that game. Where do you draw the line? You draw the line at something that doesn't impact you but might impact someone else's play experience.

Just because you can report something doesn't automatically mean it's fine to bring it into the game. Not only is this essentially saying "it's fine if you get harrassed as long as you can get someone in trouble for doing it" and it is such a messed up thing on its own, but GM tickets actually do cost SE time and money.

I'm sure if any SE staff are reading this they are disappointed in some of the people proposing glam removal. The utter mockery of some of the concerns is honestly very worrying, when you consider the option proposes the control over how someone else looks without their consent. Some of you are pretty much guaranteeing that this will never come to the game due to your attitude alone.

Peace out guys. I have said everything I can possibly say on the matter without resorting to mocking other people. I got some gathering to do. I hope everyone is enjoying the new patch

[SamRF]

Please stay there is still much to be discussed

[CelestePinke]

There are already instances in the game where glamour is blocked. We are put in armor in the fight scenes. So they can already do it. My suggestion would be that the players would just appear in level appropriate gear for their class then there is no mixed gear looking hideous. Once something is seen it cannot be unseen.