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    Quote Originally Posted by Cithaerias_pyropina View Post
    This option is the same as telling people what they can and cannot wear, even if this is just client-side the fact remains, and you have no business doing that.
    As has been ruthlessly debating about throughout this thread, this is also a completely subjective viewpoint. It's moot to keep going on about it. Instead, why don't we discuss another issue that has been mentioned throughout this thread, albeit indirectly?

    People keep saying dev time this and dev resources that, but it remains that Square Enix is, contrary to what the memes might indicate, an enormous company with lots of money and resources. Why must we have to sacrifice one potential feature in favor of another, when we could have both?

    Let's discuss that, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld View Post
    As has been ruthlessly debating about throughout this thread, this is also a completely subjective viewpoint. It's moot to keep going on about it. Instead, why don't we discuss another issue that has been mentioned throughout this thread, albeit indirectly?

    People keep saying dev time this and dev resources that, but it remains that Square Enix is, contrary to what the memes might indicate, an enormous company with lots of money and resources. Why must we have to sacrifice one potential feature in favor of another, when we could have both?

    Let's discuss that, please.
    Ok, the ability to change the look of a character outright already exists in the aesthetitician, albeit only for your own character. This same technology exists in the benchmark. Not to mention that the glamour system itself is evidence of the ability to alter gear appearance without affecting gear stats.

    Under my limited understanding of how the system works, implementing this request would not be difficult due to the systems already existing, just not for other players.

    I have said in this thread previously, that this request opens up the possibility of a better glamour system as it solves the immersion problem regarding role locked gear, and allows for easily identifiable jobs if they player wants that. This means that with this feature in place, the ability for a player to glamour anything to their job becomes much easier to ask for. That alone makes this a valuable request to even those who are against it.


    Edit: I should also add that the sheer fact that mods exist that do exactly what this feature is asking, there's no reason why SE can't easily create a system that does similar
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    Quote Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld View Post
    As has been ruthlessly debating about throughout this thread, this is also a completely subjective viewpoint. It's moot to keep going on about it. Instead, why don't we discuss another issue that has been mentioned throughout this thread, albeit indirectly?

    People keep saying dev time this and dev resources that, but it remains that Square Enix is, contrary to what the memes might indicate, an enormous company with lots of money and resources. Why must we have to sacrifice one potential feature in favor of another, when we could have both?

    Let's discuss that, please.
    Just because the compagny make a lot of money doesn't mean the team working on FFXIV get a bigger budget every time, shareholder does and we all know too well how its going in every game compagny nowaday.

    Plus even if they get more money doesn't imply every aspect of the game get an upgrade, new staff need to be trained to the engine, project have to be endorsed to put mere example.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    Under my limited understanding of how the system works, implementing this request would not be difficult due to the systems already existing, just not for other players
    And under my limited understanding on how physics works, moving to the speed of light would not be difficult due to light already moving at this speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nariel View Post
    And under my limited understanding on how physics works, moving to the speed of light would not be difficult due to light already moving at this speed, just not like the sound.
    Your comment reads like you read the words "Under my limited understanding" and nothing else in my post. The fact is that the technology already exists in the game, your comment doesn't change that fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    Your comment reads like you read the words "Under my limited understanding" and nothing else in my post. The fact is that the technology already exists in the game, your comment doesn't change that fact.
    And could you care to explain how being able to switch predefined gear appeareance on our character mean dev's can just put an option to switch off the displayed gear of every other character on your screen ? And by explain I mean can you actually expand on how the system work actualy, because all your example consist of are assuption based on surface observation, just like I can assume every star in the galaxy is the same because they more or like have the same color and size in the sky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nariel View Post
    And could you care to explain how being able to switch predefined gear appeareance on our character mean dev's can just put an option to switch off the displayed gear of every other character on your screen ? And by explain I mean can you actually expand on how the system work actualy, because all your example consist of are assuption based on surface observation, just like I can assume every star in the galaxy is the same because they more or like have the same color and size in the sky.
    I mean, if somebody really wanted to, they could open up the 32-bit client in OllyDbg or something. Stare at the asm for long enough and you'll eventually map out what it all means.

    But no, don't post about your results here if you try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld View Post
    As has been ruthlessly debating about throughout this thread, this is also a completely subjective viewpoint. It's moot to keep going on about it. Instead, why don't we discuss another issue that has been mentioned throughout this thread, albeit indirectly?

    People keep saying dev time this and dev resources that, but it remains that Square Enix is, contrary to what the memes might indicate, an enormous company with lots of money and resources. Why must we have to sacrifice one potential feature in favor of another, when we could have both?

    Let's discuss that, please.
    Alright I'll bite, if this game has near infinite resources like you so claim it to have, why are they implementing less dungeons, why do dancer or gunbreaker not have the other crafted primal weapons, why are they constantly reusing assets instead of making new items or enemies, why can't I use glamour plates outside of cities, why hasn't a lot of the terrible spaghetti code been fixed yet?

    If Square Enix really is that massive corporation, why isn't the game getting enough resources to fix all those issues?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cithaerias_pyropina View Post
    Alright I'll bite, if this game has near infinite resources like you so claim it to have, why are they implementing less dungeons, why do dancer or gunbreaker not have the other crafted primal weapons, why are they constantly reusing assets instead of making new items or enemies, why can't I use glamour plates outside of cities, why hasn't a lot of the terrible spaghetti code been fixed yet?

    If Square Enix really is that massive corporation, why isn't the game getting enough resources to fix all those issues?
    Those are good questions. Why can't Square Enix do all those things? They're not really a small indie company who needs you to understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nariel View Post
    And under my limited understanding on how physics works, moving to the speed of light would not be difficult due to light already moving at this speed.
    Errrr, light is not designed by human beings, but computer systems are. Again, if a single programmer could not figure out how to do this in less than a day, then the engine is beyond saving anyway and is being artificially propped up.
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