Revelations from Patch 5.2

[EdwinLi]

So anyone else notice about Gaia...

She was constantly having inner monologue towards herself like Squall does in FF8.

[Alleo]

The Sorrow of Werlyt:
This is the first time I'm contemplating not finishing a story arc in all the time I've played.

They could have done many things but bringing back a guy who has never once given a single solitary rip about anyone but Garlemald and his own power is .. odd. He has destroyed countless lives (Fordola, Livia, all of Ala Mhigo - to name a few) and seems to be held hostage (from the sounds of it) or he'd be on the opposing side yet again. And fridging yet more characters (and this first one felt especially bad since we never even saw her face ), whom we've never had a chance to even know makes it hard to feel the emotional impact this should have had. All this while making our character the hand that kills them to further Baelsar's "redemption" arc feels really gross. Am I supposed to feel sorry for him after all he's done? Yeah, no. I'll be honest and say I wish he'd stayed dead and we'd gotten a new character for this story.

About this:

I have not done it (low ilvl) but I agree with you. I at least liked it how aggressive our character was towards him. Yes he is now working with us but seemingly only because of a common goal. He was still all "Varis" when the emporer was killed and he did a lot of bad stuff to us..if we had not stopped him he would have used that horrible weapon against Eorzea no matter if Lahabrea was more than he thought.

Please SE dont let him be the one that will take over the government of Garlemald..please let it be someone nice like Maxima who already wanted change and peace without some kind of vengence as a driving point

MSQ

More speculation...

"I will keep these 'heroes' mired in the First, and victory will be ours at the last. Warriors of Darkness now, are they? Then their fate is decided. They shall meet the same end as those who came before--death at the hands of Warriors of Light!"

At the time I guessed he meant he was going to bring WoL from other shards (like the void) to face the "threat" of the WoD somehow. But given what we see him doing now, it seems like his end-game here after awakening all these new "Warriors of Light" is to turn them on us instead. (This way also he doesn't have to face us in a direct confrontation and so risk himself -- he just manipulates things to the outcome he wants.)

A lot of this patch focused on us meeting up with various people who we helped along the way who pledged they'd never forget what we did for them and for the world. But it also focused on how, after the flood of light happened, all the good deeds of the past Warriors of Light were quickly forgotten to assign them all the blame (and that an accurate version of history got basically blotted out by bias). Taking all these points in composite, the question seems to be: what sort of calamity could cause the new army of heroes of the First to turn against us?

I guess that could also be his plan but at the same time I have a hard time seeing how they would fit so much into the remaining patches because I am not sure if we deal with in the next expansion.

You are right that people did forget the good deeds quite fast but we have to remember that unlike us who saved the whole rest of the shard they were in the end just normal heros for them. They dealt with some bigger issuses just like we did and saved quite a few but it was not on the scale we did. Also the lesson I think that they wanted to teach the NPCs was to not accept everything at face value and to not forget the good parts. If they then suddenly would just turn around as soon as we may have done something "bad" in their eyes it would destroy that lesson quite fast. Also it would be really bad if they simply just listen to only Ardbert but ignore our reasons..we who saved them all.

In the end it took Ardberts full group becoming WoLs to tip the scale too fast and right now none of the people are even WoLs.

[RicaRuin]

So anyone else notice about Gaia...

She was constantly having inner monologue towards herself like Squall does in FF8.

Well, about that...

It is inner monologue, but it's all in the past tense. Usually, inner monologue is all in present tense, even the one Squall has. So I see it more as the text being narrated by her 'after' the actual events. Like Count Fortemps as narrator in Heavensward.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

How the kupo did they get combat data on deus Darnus? She only appeared in her winged, facemarked form in the Binding Coils... and the only people who saw her down there were Alisae and the WoL, so what the kupo is going on?!

I don't see a problem here.
Nael van Darnus was one of the Garlean Legatus and one of the Empire's most accomplished warriors, of course there is combat data saved on her. What you are talking about are the events of 2.X where she was resurrected, but before that in 1.0 she already played a huge role in the story and was the head behind Project Meteor, the summoning of Dalamud and the destruction of Bozja Citadel - things which will probably come back to haunt us in future patches.

[MrThinker]

I don't see a problem here.
Nael van Darnus was one of the Garlean Legatus and one of the Empire's most accomplished warriors, of course there is combat data saved on her. What you are talking about are the events of 2.X where she was resurrected, but before that in 1.0 she already played a huge role in the story and was the head behind Project Meteor, the summoning of Dalamud and the destruction of Bozja Citadel - things which will probably come back to haunt us in future patches.

The problem is the form she appeared in. THAT winged draconian form in of itself (as well as the adds she summons) was only supposed to have ever been witnessed by the player and Alisaie at the Holocharts in the Second Coil of Bahamut.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

The problem is the form she appeared in. THAT winged draconian form in of itself (as well as the adds she summons) was only supposed to have ever been witnessed by the player and Alisaie at the Holocharts in the Second Coil of Bahamut.

Are we really sure she couldn't do this before she was resurrected? The power for that comes from Dalamud and Bahamut, both already existed before 2.0 and as far as I remember after the fight Nael was shocked because he was possessed by his sister and became a slave to Bahamut, but that was also something that already happend on 1.X

[MrThinker]

Are we really sure she couldn't do this before she was resurrected? The power for that comes from Dalamud and Bahamut, both already existed before 2.0 and as far as I remember after the fight Nael was shocked because he was possessed by his sister and became a slave to Bahamut, but that was also something that already happend on 1.X

Err.... Regarding the part in bold. Nael van Darnus, i.e. the original male Nael van Darnus, was dead before 1.0. His sister Eula went mad with grief, killed their father (who was responsible) and then took his (Nael's) identity and became legatus of the VIIth legion to give him a legacy. The Darnus that appears in 1.x and onwards has always been Eula posing as Nael. As for whether or not she could do this before her resurrection... I think not. In the original battle against Nael in 1.x, she transforms into a form also called Nael Deus Darnus.... but it looks nothing like her draconian form from T9. It's essentially her armoured form + some aetherial wings that only appear in that transformation cutscene before fading for the rest of the encounter.

Granted that information itself is first revealed in the Encyclopaedia Eorzea Volume 1.

[Eyvind]

For any discussion of Nael, remember that in Japan they got the original version of the story. In Garlemald, women cannot rise higher than the rank of Praetor ("base commander") just as non-Garleans can't, because the empire of the empire's sexist attitudes toward women.

She was born Eula, and when her brother died, she took his identity, trusting in that heavy Garlean armour to conceal who she was. she had no voice actor in Japanese, but for whatever reason the English localizers (who were more out of the loop then) decided to give her one, and had no idea about the Samus reveal that was being planned. When she was revealed to be a woman, they skipped over that revelation in English and censored it. Then when the Coils came out, they wrote awkwardly around it, with Alphinaud making the usggestion of remembering his dead sister.

I do wonder if with Werlyt storyline they will finally be required to admit the mistake. It's not like anyone can play 1.0 to see the censored version anyway now.

EDIT: Simulposted there, but I should add I too find it odd that they have combat data - and I am assuming it's some kind of uploaded personality - that shows what she looked like under the armour. No one was supposed to know that.

[RicaRuin]

EDIT: Simulposted there, but I should add I too find it odd that they have combat data - and I am assuming it's some kind of uploaded personality - that shows what she looked like under the armour. No one was supposed to know that.

We don't know how the system with the upload of combat data works. If it also scanned and uploaded biological data and DNA, it could easily replicate the appearance.

Edit: Woman can't rise higher than Praetor? What about Livia?

[MrThinker]

We don't know how the system with the upload of combat data works. If it also scanned and uploaded biological data and DNA, it could easily replicate the appearance.

Edit: Woman can't rise higher than Praetor? What about Livia?

While I'm not too certain of the veracity of Eyvind's statement, Gaius has shown to be unique in regards to ranking his men by merit rather than their race/gender. Such as with Rhitatyn, a roegadyn that became tribunus, and the highest rank any non-garlean has ever achieved.