It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Sairys]

As an aside, they do factor in how people receive certain glamours when designing them, which came up when Yoshi P was explaining the considerations they have in mind when deciding whether to remove certain gender locks; the upshot of that is that these issues become less controversial if you can simply hide appearances you don't like.

Let's be honest, this doesn't pan out.

What actually would happen is that the people complaining about stuff like men being able to wear skimpy clothes/dresses/etc will still complain, it's just in that situation they'd be complaining about how it's unfair that they "have to turn on the glamour block".

[Joven]

If what you're seeing on the screen is "me", then yes.

And that's why we'll never agree on that aspect of this discussion. You can't be for one form of choice while denying others.

To me that line reads more like deflecting, the bikini option has been around for a while the thing that's happening now is the men in wedding dresses option which lines up with the "It's time" title of the thread.

Next the op also frames anyone that reads their post this way as a "troglodyte" while almost defensively trying to deflect further by asserting that players wearing whatever they like breaks the "theme and feel" of a final fantasy game when really, particularly with the more modern installations, FF characters wear what suits them regardless of their role in the party.

That may be true for the OP, but what gives someone the right to judge everyone else based on that?

Let's be honest, this doesn't pan out.

What actually would happen is that the people complaining about stuff like men being able to wear skimpy clothes/dresses/etc will still complain, it's just in that situation they'd be complaining about how it's unfair that they "have to turn on the glamour block".

I think you misquoted there. It was Lauront who posted that, not me.

[Lauront]

Let's be honest, this doesn't pan out.

What actually would happen is that the people complaining about stuff like men being able to wear skimpy clothes/dresses/etc will still complain, it's just in that situation they'd be complaining about how it's unfair that they "have to turn on the glamour block".

They may certainly complain, e.g. that it's a waste of resources, but SE would have a ready out if they don't want to see it on their screen - use the block feature. Such complaints become a lot less tenable if someone won't go to that minimal level of effort, which can be applied to any block or blacklist feature.

For as long as such a feature does not exist, their complaints have a degree of merit, which SE itself acknowledges.

[Sairys]

They may certainly complain, e.g. that it's a waste of resources, but SE would have a ready out if they don't want to see it on their screen - use the block feature. Such complaints become a lot less tenable if someone won't go to that minimal level of effort, which can be applied to any block or blacklist feature.

For as long as such a feature does not exist, their complaints have a degree of merit, which SE itself acknowledges.

SE is going to continue to have to moderate the options they add into the game. Whether or not people can disable them on their side is irrelevant.

Really, the end result of this particular argument is an increasing proportion of the playerbase disabling glamours which could reduce investment in them which may harm a revenue stream. So why is that in SE's best interests?

[Vahlnir]

SE is going to continue to have to moderate the options they add into the game. Whether or not people can disable them on their side is irrelevant.

Really, the end result of this particular argument is an increasing proportion of the playerbase disabling glamours which could reduce investment in them which may harm a revenue stream. So why is that in SE's best interests?

To be fair, the number of people who would actually use this feature would probably be relatively small, at least in my opinion. All of these "Show Your <insert race here>!" threads are all the proof I need. People like to show off their characters, period. In that respect alone I can't imagine them setting aside resources for it. Not to mention the extra server strain which it would inevitably cause, and we all know how much SE hates their server strain. It would probably be way more profitable to just keep churning out outfits and putting them on the Mogstation.

[Theodric]

SE is going to continue to have to moderate the options they add into the game. Whether or not people can disable them on their side is irrelevant.

Really, the end result of this particular argument is an increasing proportion of the playerbase disabling glamours which could reduce investment in them which may harm a revenue stream. So why is that in SE's best interests?

It wouldn't harm the revenue stream if it were implemented as a blacklist feature. Plenty of players would also still invest in glamour - as proven by other games that have implemented such filters. I dress my character the way I want for my sake, not anybody else so if someone were to add something I wore to the blacklist it wouldn't even register as a problem to me. Not that I'd likely know it was happening in the first place.

[Sairys]

It wouldn't harm the revenue stream if it were implemented as a blacklist feature. Plenty of players would also still invest in glamour - as proven by other games that have implemented such filters. I dress my character the way I want for my sake, not anybody else so if someone were to add something I wore to the blacklist it wouldn't even register as a problem to me. Not that I'd likely know it was happening in the first place.

Naming some of those MMOs that have a similar glamouring investment to FFXIV would be more helpful to your point.

That particular line of thought came up from reading how people are reacting to the idea that their character won't appear as they have intended them to other people, for some this appears to really matter, which leads to questions around whether it would impact peoples desire to glamour.
Even with blacklisting, seems likely people would become reluctant to use certain glamours if they were known to get you blacklisted.