It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[AngelCheese77]

Er... some of the pieces you glamour over actually look a whole lot worse.
Go on, try taking off all of your glamours and see if you'd be happy staying that way.

This reminds me of some of the outfits in EverQuest 1+2. They looked like a box of crayons were thrown at you as they could be all different colours and styles, none of them matching. Heh.

Case in point from WoW:

[MikkoAkure]

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If you're doing it for you, then literally nothing I said applies to you and you're not what I'm talking about. I even go around LL and Eulmore just to get glam ideas and appreciate people's outfits. I don't speak for the OP but I don't care about people who care about fashion and mind their own business and I'm not talking about them.

But if you're thong ninja #47 and I have to see your character sticking their butt out with the ninja run during the entire dungeon right in front of my camera, or I'm trying to concentrate in a trial/raid and you're wearing a moogle head and a leopard print speedo, or if you're the kind of person who leaves their character AFK in Limsa wearing uninspired scraps of clothing while dancing, some would like to have the option to turn your glamour off. If I'd rather not hear people play music I can turn performance off. If I was the type of person who didn't want to see swears I could turn the profanity filter off. If I don't want to see holy spam filling up my screen I can turn the effects off. If we don't have to put up with all that if we don't want to, I don't know why having a glamour filter is "arrogant".

But it could be that I'm just jaded after hearing someone who used to be in my FC describe how much they lust after their own character and they would AFK in the middle of the FC house doing the step dance wearing uninspired clothing that panders to the lowest common denominator and I'd rather not think about people like him again when bumping into people dressed the same with names that I'm not sure how they weren't reported yet that make me assume the worst.

[3c-33]

I'm just not understanding why appearing as you intended, self expression, ect is such a big deal when discussing hiding glamours but not when the discussion was about nsfw mods.
There are players (for example Iscah) who are consistent on the two issues but it seems like a lot more people are bothered by the former compared to the latter.

Is it because the former would be an official option in game as opposed to an unofficial mod?

This is a hard question to answer, but I think part of it comes down to two things, one being that no matter what, there's always going to be people who mod their game, two being the mods already exist, so no use crying over spilt milk? Nothing to be done about it, I'm not exactly okay with my character being modified to look like something without my permission either, but whatever, I can't stop them.

I guess the main thing is we would prefer to limit who can change our appearance to a minimum rather than adding another official feature that will allow a larger group of people to do this, like PS4 users.And something about the official thing you said.

On that note I don't even know how prevalent the issue of that mod stuff is in the first place. I know there's probably some weirdos that would mod everyone to look like that or something but id hope otherwise that most people are sensible enough to keep it limited to their own characters rather than strangers. Again, idk how prevalent either of those things are, but yeah

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

Oh but it's totally okay for someone to use a mod that changes the way my character looks on their screen. Yet some of you will cry when a suggestion is made to hide your disgusting glamour? Gurl bye I'm done.

No one said mods were okay. And one is a mod, the other a system that the devs would actively have to go out of their way to develop and it would be accepting that other people get to choose what you look like no matter what. It's not a step in the right direction.

People need to worry about their own damn selves. I'm sure you've made your own disgusting glamours. So take that attitude elsewhere.

[Tohe-Spidhire]

*Stares at OP's main's lodestone, where they're currently wearing a cutesy, yellow dress and Krile's hood as a PLD*
*sees they're part of what appears to be a glamour-based FC*
Something smells fishy here... >x>

Man, after each page that I read of this thread, another two appear. Okay, let me point out:

People pay *real* money for glam items, with the expectation that people are going to see them with that appearance. And I know it would be quite immersion breaking for a player to be acting as if they were wearing formal wear, but actually appeared to be wearing mismatched heavy armour, etc.

That aside, for every questionable glamour that I see, there are (roughly) a hundred people running around with decently thought-out glams. As such, I have to agree with what someone else pointed out, which is the option to hide glams is too much burden on the servers, which I suspect would involve a terribly inefficient sorting algorithm.

Others have brought up the blacklist or profanity features as a means to argue that hiding glams is easy. However, this is a fallacy because the blacklist and profanity filter concern the *text* chat system, whereas glams involve modifications to the *graphics* rendering engine.

But in the end, this has the appearance of being an awesome troll thread. People are just losing their minds.

[3c-33]

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There is no difference between me and the examples of people you just listed. You don't know why thong ninja is dressed up like that, and you don't know why I dress the way I do without me telling you. Maybe I dress for myself like I said and suddenly I felt like wearing a bikini + frog head. Now it applies to me because you don't agree with what I'm wearing, right? I'm not understanding your consistency or reasoning here.

The battle effects option is there for performance reasons. Having all 24 people in an alliance raid spamming their abilities is not going to reasonably hold up on most systems. The same reason graphics settings and ability to limit how many people can render on your screen at a time; performance. The sound option is there to be there for the same reasons the rest of them are there; to cater to your experience with the game. It is not there for the sole purpose of silencing players for x reason, it is simply an option. This proposed idea, however, is not comparable to those things because it's based on what you think of other characters. It's more comparable to having the ability to mute or blacklist people, though those have more justifiable and concerning causes compared to "I don't like what someone else is wearing." Muting someone because they're harassing you? That's fine, trying to change someone's character because you don't like it? Entitlement.

[Canada_bangs]

I just don't trust the playerbase to not make it into a worst case. Once they open this can of worms it'll do nothing but skyrocket down fast. We already had people ask - I know they were trolling- to take lala's out the game. Now they were joking... picture a world where people legit ask SE to take out races they don't like. And yeah glamour isn't races, but do you really think this playerbase will leave it at just glamours?

[SilverObi]

I'm noticing a lot of people assuming a glamour toggle would inherently mean that you'd see the other PCs in their "mismatched clown outfits", but we already have an example of a game loading preset gear instead of the what's actually equipped/glamoured in FFXI as I previously mentioned. No you wouldn't see people in clashing gearsets but rather in racial gear or even better AF gear.

Another thing I'm noticing is the slippery slope fallacy or logical extreme argument being tossed around. Yes in theory having the option to view other PCs in preset gear may open the door to more extreme or unreasonable requests but that doesn't mean they'd be accepted or implemented. Changing gear is not on the same scope as removing races so stop saying it is, it comes off as fearmongering.

And I still don't see how what another player views affects you directly unless you were to ask and if they were to even respond, I know for a fact a lot of the popular glamour items have "alternate" looks thanks to the community but that doesn't stop me from wearing what I want cause it's not affecting me. I can't see the merit in worrying about what other people see when what matters is how my character looks to me and me only unless I'm RP'ing or something I guess.

[SturmChurro]

I just don't trust the playerbase to not make it into a worst case. Once they open this can of worms it'll do nothing but skyrocket down fast. We already had people ask - I know they were trolling- to take lala's out the game. Now they were joking... picture a world where people legit ask SE to take out races they don't like. And yeah glamour isn't races, but do you really think this playerbase will leave it at just glamours?

Maybe if lalafell were removed SE would free up some resources so viera/hrothgar could get proper treatment. A worthy trade if you ask me!

[Tsumdere]

Man, after each page that I read of this thread, another two appear. Okay, let me point out:

People pay *real* money for glam items, with the expectation that people are going to see them with that appearance. And I know it would be quite immersion breaking for a player to be acting as if they were wearing formal wear, but actually appeared to be wearing mismatched heavy armour, etc.

That aside, for every questionable glamour that I see, there are (roughly) a hundred people running around with decently thought-out glams. As such, I have to agree with what someone else pointed out, which is the option to hide glams is too much burden on the servers, which I suspect would involve a terribly inefficient sorting algorithm.

Others have brought up the blacklist or profanity features as a means to argue that hiding glams is easy. However, this is a fallacy because the blacklist and profanity filter concern the *text* chat system, whereas glams involve modifications to the *graphics* rendering engine.

But in the end, this has the appearance of being an awesome troll thread. People are just losing their minds.

The best part about all of this is that I think OP is a troll, but they have brought out the people who legit support this. So good on them.

Additionally, you bring up great points to why this will never be an option. Rendering gear on a per client basis is not easy, no matter what the armchair devs would like to think.