It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Tsalmaveth]

Other than development resources, I don't think a compelling argument has been made here against having this be an optional thing.

I fail to see how some people you don't know on the internet not knowing how unique you are or how dolled up your waifu is affects you or why it deserves the amount of bickering that's in this thread. If having everyone look at you to see how wonderful/sexy/funny/obnoxious you are is that important to you, then you might need some inward reflecting.

Actually, the OPPOSITE here applies. There has really not been a good argument why development and spaghetti-code management resources needs to be spent on setting up an option that will impact all of the servers, and thus their performance, along with the consoles, just because some people are nickered about glamours that the development team have created and allowed for players access to and encouraged new ways to apply and asked for ways to improve, not remove. This is not even thinly veiled at 'I don't like men in dresses' with their later posts, and just tries to claim that ALL of the men in dresses are 'obviously trolls' and not actually players who are comfortable/happy/expressing themselves in a way they feel good about. No, they're trolls simply because others are put-off about it and thus it is 'bad'. The mascot outfits, bikiniis etc are all put in the game for players to use and thus... supported. This is all part of the MMO experience.

A friend race-changed to Viera last night from a male one and was going through their gear... flipped to one that had previously had the Valentione set on it and it looked SO BAD, I was confused... then I realized it was a mix of the YorHA and Eden set and I just was boggled. They looked HORRIBLE. That is what you want to inflict on people because y'all can't deal with society moving on. Sorry, but nah. The people who need to 'make a good case' are the ones who want to up-root and change things... inflict a massive amount of work and strain on the devs and servers... and this isn't it. It's just people being unhappy with change and offended people's tastes don't align with theirs. Oh. Well.

[DumdogsWorld]

There has really not been a good argument why development and spaghetti-code management resources needs to be spent on setting up an option that will impact all of the servers, and thus their performance, along with the consoles

No idea why people keep pulling servers into their arguments. That information is already being transmitted - you can see what gear a party member has equipped when you examine their gear. It would not be that difficult to code it to load the assets for "the gear underneath" instead of the glamour assets. And it could be done entirely client-side.

[Tsalmaveth]

No idea why people keep pulling servers into their arguments. That information is already being transmitted - you can see what gear a party member has equipped when you examine their gear. It would not be that difficult to code it to load the assets for "the gear underneath" instead of the glamour assets. And it could be done entirely client-side.

Work with me here: The 'justification' here for all of this is that they don't want 'lore breaking' outfits. That they want 'immersion'. Right? Right. SO. Let's take my friend from the other night. I use this NIFTY little option and turn off these nasty little offensive glams and suddenly I'm left looking at.... YorHA dress top and Edengate pants. It looks TERRIBLE. They literally look as bad, if not worse, than a clown because of the mis-match in gear aesthetics and colour. It's not even FUNNY how bad the clashing was. There is zero way that the people who are sooooooooo concerned about their 'immersion' are going to be happy with the levelers and BiS raiders in their really really badly mis-matched gear parading around in their precious cut-scenes looking like literal clowns. IF, of course, THAT is their ACTUAL reason for all of this.

SO, the next idea was... We'll just have it put them in their Racial Starter Gear! Oh. Okay. That's something the game has to render and slap on. That's going to be resources. Sorry, that's just kind of a fact. And of course you have people going 'well, why not their class gear!' Well, that will depend on what level the class is, won't it? More resources.

Regardless, you are going to be taking time and resources and asking more from the servers that the devs, at least claim, are under enough work already. All because people are nickered about the way other people choose to dress. Wow?

[DumdogsWorld]

SO, the next idea was... We'll just have it put them in their Racial Starter Gear! Oh. Okay. That's something the game has to render and slap on. That's going to be resources. Sorry, that's just kind of a fact.

Yes, but not server resources. The server already tells you what jobs/classes the party members are. That information is already transmitted. The client could be hardcoded to load the lowest-level gear a class/job can equip when glamour is disabled. Not a single byte of bandwidth would need to be wasted.

[Theodric]

No idea why people keep pulling servers into their arguments. That information is already being transmitted - you can see what gear a party member has equipped when you examine their gear. It would not be that difficult to code it to load the assets for "the gear underneath" instead of the glamour assets. And it could be done entirely client-side.

They also have the benefit of looking back at how it was handled in FFXI for further inspiration.

As an aside, the amount of people not 'getting' the immersion argument is pretty troubling. Quests such as Hildibrand are acknowledged as not being everybody's cup of tea by the development team themselves and as such are locked away in their own little optional bubble.

The bulk of the game takes itself seriously. We have two lore books detailing armour and weapon lore. The vast majority of NPC's wear specific sets that fit the aesthetic of their role in their society.