It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[XenociderOmega]

So now that we have female characters tanking in string bikini's and now men in wedding dresses, it's time to adopt an option a lot of other games have: Hide Glamour. Naturally troglodyte are going to assume it's because of the men in dresses. It's actually because it's breaks the theme and feel of it being a final fantasy game. Tanks should wear plate, healers should wear robes, and no one should be in a fight seriously wearing carbuncle slippers and lingerie.

I don't propose a limit to glamour, I just want to be able to turn off other players glamours displaying on my client. That way they can "Express" themselves all they want, and I don't have to suffer another topless male in a thong.

Hide lalafells option to right? No one that small can tank something as big as titan

[Moomba33]

Well then I bring up the modding argument again. So many people use mods, the glam so many people put in a lot of thought into is either way a) looking completely different on their part or b) is so broken on their screen that your character is actually naked. Yet so many people say "mods are okay because it doesnt effect the other players gameplay" and neither would do an option to hide someones glam.

This pretty much. I'm kind of surprised there's so much push back to this topic's idea. I remember when a topic about nsfw mods came up many players expressed discomfort with their characters being displayed like that but the overall mood I got from the replies was "your character isn't you, mods don't affect you, get over it".

Resources argument I can understand. Modders aren't taking away from official dev time after all.

As a PS4 player mods aren't an option for me. If a hide glamours/replace glamours with job gear option existed I'd probably use it when doing MSQ to avoid silly animal costumes and revealing outfits from being in my cutscenes. I'd likely leave it off the rest of the time as I do like seeing what outfits players come up with in general.

Edit: Found the mod topic: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...out-of-control
"Get over it" is 3 times as popular as "it's a problem" on page 1.

[KalinOrthos]

Actually, the OPPOSITE here applies. There has really not been a good argument why development and spaghetti-code management resources needs to be spent on setting up an option that will impact all of the servers, and thus their performance, along with the consoles, just because some people are nickered about glamours that the development team have created and allowed for players access to and encouraged new ways to apply and asked for ways to improve, not remove. This is not even thinly veiled at 'I don't like men in dresses' with their later posts, and just tries to claim that ALL of the men in dresses are 'obviously trolls' and not actually players who are comfortable/happy/expressing themselves in a way they feel good about. No, they're trolls simply because others are put-off about it and thus it is 'bad'. The mascot outfits, bikiniis etc are all put in the game for players to use and thus... supported. This is all part of the MMO experience.

A friend race-changed to Viera last night from a male one and was going through their gear... flipped to one that had previously had the Valentione set on it and it looked SO BAD, I was confused... then I realized it was a mix of the YorHA and Eden set and I just was boggled. They looked HORRIBLE. That is what you want to inflict on people because y'all can't deal with society moving on. Sorry, but nah. The people who need to 'make a good case' are the ones who want to up-root and change things... inflict a massive amount of work and strain on the devs and servers... and this isn't it. It's just people being unhappy with change and offended people's tastes don't align with theirs. Oh. Well.

Moreover, it requires a certain level of arrogance to say "No, I don't like that, take it off my screen." One of the best ways to get a glimpse if how one wishes to present themselves to the community is through glamours, and the ego it takes to want to remove that is flooring.

[Iscah]

Other than development resources, I don't think a compelling argument has been made here against having this be an optional thing.

I fail to see how some people you don't know on the internet not knowing how unique you are or how dolled up your waifu is affects you or why it deserves the amount of bickering that's in this thread. If having everyone look at you to see how wonderful/sexy/funny/obnoxious you are is that important to you, then you might need some inward reflecting.

As I said earlier, for me at least, it's not about wanting to be noticed - it's that there are a lot of things I don't want my character to be wearing, but they would as a result of this concept.

Again, I would rather have my character turned invisible than put in an outfit I didn't pick for them.

And if you're assuming it's about dressing my "waifu" (ugh) up in skimpy outfits, it's quite the opposite. I want to avoid them.

[AngelCheese77]

So now that we have female characters tanking in string bikini's and now men in wedding dresses, it's time to adopt an option a lot of other games have: Hide Glamour. Naturally troglodyte are going to assume it's because of the men in dresses. It's actually because it's breaks the theme and feel of it being a final fantasy game. Tanks should wear plate, healers should wear robes, and no one should be in a fight seriously wearing carbuncle slippers and lingerie.

I don't propose a limit to glamour, I just want to be able to turn off other players glamours displaying on my client. That way they can "Express" themselves all they want, and I don't have to suffer another topless male in a thong.

Hm, it doesn't bother me. Why?

Because I grew up in the 70s - 80s where fantasy art had women and men in the skimpiest chain "armor" that were in essence .. bikinis. Less armor = more AC apparently. I linked one of the more .. safer ... pics below. As you can see, they have no trouble fighting that beasie in a bikini!

[DumdogsWorld]

There has really not been a good argument why development and spaghetti-code management resources needs to be spent on setting up an option that will impact all of the servers, and thus their performance, along with the consoles

No idea why people keep pulling servers into their arguments. That information is already being transmitted - you can see what gear a party member has equipped when you examine their gear. It would not be that difficult to code it to load the assets for "the gear underneath" instead of the glamour assets. And it could be done entirely client-side.

[Tsalmaveth]

No idea why people keep pulling servers into their arguments. That information is already being transmitted - you can see what gear a party member has equipped when you examine their gear. It would not be that difficult to code it to load the assets for "the gear underneath" instead of the glamour assets. And it could be done entirely client-side.

Work with me here: The 'justification' here for all of this is that they don't want 'lore breaking' outfits. That they want 'immersion'. Right? Right. SO. Let's take my friend from the other night. I use this NIFTY little option and turn off these nasty little offensive glams and suddenly I'm left looking at.... YorHA dress top and Edengate pants. It looks TERRIBLE. They literally look as bad, if not worse, than a clown because of the mis-match in gear aesthetics and colour. It's not even FUNNY how bad the clashing was. There is zero way that the people who are sooooooooo concerned about their 'immersion' are going to be happy with the levelers and BiS raiders in their really really badly mis-matched gear parading around in their precious cut-scenes looking like literal clowns. IF, of course, THAT is their ACTUAL reason for all of this.

SO, the next idea was... We'll just have it put them in their Racial Starter Gear! Oh. Okay. That's something the game has to render and slap on. That's going to be resources. Sorry, that's just kind of a fact. And of course you have people going 'well, why not their class gear!' Well, that will depend on what level the class is, won't it? More resources.

Regardless, you are going to be taking time and resources and asking more from the servers that the devs, at least claim, are under enough work already. All because people are nickered about the way other people choose to dress. Wow?

[Theodric]

No idea why people keep pulling servers into their arguments. That information is already being transmitted - you can see what gear a party member has equipped when you examine their gear. It would not be that difficult to code it to load the assets for "the gear underneath" instead of the glamour assets. And it could be done entirely client-side.

They also have the benefit of looking back at how it was handled in FFXI for further inspiration.

As an aside, the amount of people not 'getting' the immersion argument is pretty troubling. Quests such as Hildibrand are acknowledged as not being everybody's cup of tea by the development team themselves and as such are locked away in their own little optional bubble.

The bulk of the game takes itself seriously. We have two lore books detailing armour and weapon lore. The vast majority of NPC's wear specific sets that fit the aesthetic of their role in their society.

[3c-33]

Other than development resources, I don't think a compelling argument has been made here against having this be an optional thing.

I fail to see how some people you don't know on the internet not knowing how unique you are or how dolled up your waifu is affects you or why it deserves the amount of bickering that's in this thread. If having everyone look at you to see how wonderful/sexy/funny/obnoxious you are is that important to you, then you might need some inward reflecting.

There has been plenty of compelling arguments against it. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it not "compelling," that makes you arrogant.

Furthermore what you are saying here is a baseless assumption about all kinds of different people you don't even know. People dress up in all kinds of ways for myriads of different reasons. Some people like expressing themselves, some just like making outfits, some do it for attention, some do it to look at their waifu dress up dolls. And?? This matters why?

I guarantee you people are not so full of themselves that they act as you described where they feel the need to be at the center of attention/need people to see their glamour. I like messing with glamour on my au ra because I find her cute, I think it's a fun thing to do, and I also view her as an extension of me and therefore I express myself through her. While I do like getting attention for whatever I may have glammed, it is not my sole purpose for it. In the end, it's for me, and most people are the same. If someone enjoys dressing up in meme suits because it's funny to them, that means it's for themself already, even if other reasons exist.

The only problem here is with you. The people this thread is directed at mind their own business and do what they want in the game they pay to play, but yeah apparently it's actually because everyone is a self absorbed attention seeker, totally. I can go ahead and mark this down as another pointless snide comment that adds nothing to the conversation other than insisting you let everyone know how rude and judgemental you are, the exact thing you just complained about with others "insisting everyone knows how funny and sexy they are."

[Tsalmaveth]

It's an MMO. They provide the gear for people to freely use and create sets. A lot of us... and I do mean a HUGE amount of people, spend a lot of time creating such sets. The fact that some enjoy just playing around because 'it is a game and they CAN' is also 100% okay.

It is not ok to turn off the work of EVERYONE because you're nickered about a few, and men in dresses. Putting EVERYONE else but YOU in lvl 1 starter gear is not 'keeping with the lore' EITHER. How would that look going into the final ShB fight? Hm? Bet that would fit the Immersion perfectly?

Just accept that you live in a society and all that it brings.