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  1. #221
    Player Theodric's Avatar
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    Matthieu Desrosiers
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    Cerberus
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    Reaper Lv 90
    It's a global game, so what constitutes as 'society' differs significantly from country to country. Furthermore, the game embraced realism to a larger degree back in the days of ARR and HW. It also initially started out with a lot of hairstyles and glamour options being gender locked. Though over time a very vocal minority began shaming the development team and threatened to quit unless the status quo changed. If people can petition for the game's glamour system to be loosened, then it's only fair that people can petition for it to be tightened. Especially if the implementation is limited to those who seek to toggle such a feature on.
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  2. #222
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    Canadane's Avatar
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    King Canadane
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 100
    Remember that glamours are just refracted light.
    That bikini isn’t really a bikini. Your tank is fine.
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    http://king.canadane.com

  3. #223
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    kujoestars's Avatar
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    Joruri Kha
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    Zalera
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Lastelli View Post
    Either this or they must lift jobs restrictions for glamour, given that their excuse for that was "wearing other jobs' glam breaks immersion".
    I for one am all for getting rid of job restrictions on glamour because if we can have tanks glamming cloth (heck one of my FC officers sometimes tanks in the maid outfit, hahahahhahhaha) or going mostly naked (not that I mind because I’ve seen some beautifully hilarious ones - shout out to “Moist Crevasse” and their Highlander male WAR in pink undies, thighboots, and anime pigtail hair when I did my first run of Praetorium XD) we can have monks and dancers in armor or whatever. Not like they’re wearing the real items anyway.

    And frankly some joblocks make no sense if it’s literally the same material, so yeah.....

    *grumbles about the new steampunk set not giving monks the awesome cap so I can properly live my JoJo dreams*
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  4. #224
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    DumdogsWorld's Avatar
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    W'kohrahx Tia
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth View Post
    SO, the next idea was... We'll just have it put them in their Racial Starter Gear! Oh. Okay. That's something the game has to render and slap on. That's going to be resources. Sorry, that's just kind of a fact.
    Yes, but not server resources. The server already tells you what jobs/classes the party members are. That information is already transmitted. The client could be hardcoded to load the lowest-level gear a class/job can equip when glamour is disabled. Not a single byte of bandwidth would need to be wasted.
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  5. #225
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    3c-33's Avatar
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    Phantasma Goria
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    Gilgamesh
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    It's a global game, so what constitutes as 'society' differs significantly from country to country. Furthermore, the game embraced realism to a larger degree back in the days of ARR and HW. It also initially started out with a lot of hairstyles and glamour options being gender locked. Though over time a very vocal minority began shaming the development team and threatened to quit unless the status quo changed. If people can petition for the game's glamour system to be loosened, then it's only fair that people can petition for it to be tightened. Especially if the implementation is limited to those who seek to toggle such a feature on.
    Just because it used to be a certain way at some point in time doesn't mean it has to stay that way, or that it's the correct way, or what the devs or community wants. As far as I'm aware no one asked for a funny frog suit but they made it anyway because they wanted to and no longer care about realism, especially when turning back at this point would likely cause backlash

    You are asking the rights of some people to be taken away in exchange for the rights of another and that is unfair. I guarantee most people you ask about this are going to say no, I don't want that to exist because then people will see me in ugly mismatched armor. Don't know about you, but the deepshadow tank set looks awful on females and I'd hate the idea of knowing that people are going to see that, even if I never know. Since everyone here seems so intent on staring at other people in their content, I am not okay with you staring at my ugly unglamoured base gear lmao. Personally I stare at my hotbars anyway so I never notice or care about what other people are wearing

    This will also not avoid people , like me, that would start wearing the actual glamour items around everywhere should this be implemented. In fact, people already do this anyway because they don't use prisms and plates. You cannot completely escape the fact other people are going to exist in your mmo and do things that compromise your ideals. Adding this feature will inevitably create more of a hassle for people that want their glamours to be seen the way they are, and now you have another group of people that are just as unhappy as you are
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  6. #226
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    Arngrim_Greyashe's Avatar
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    Grimnir Greywolfe
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    Balmung
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    I don't understand why people are so caught up in what others characters are wearing. When I'm running content I barely even notice what race other players are, let alone what they're wearing.

    I would rather devs not waste time on such a function when there are plenty of other issues that need addressing.
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  7. #227
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    Moomba33's Avatar
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    Eva Gamirdren
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    Ultros
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    Archer Lv 100
    I'm just not understanding why appearing as you intended, self expression, ect is such a big deal when discussing hiding glamours but not when the discussion was about nsfw mods.
    There are players (for example Iscah) who are consistent on the two issues but it seems like a lot more people are bothered by the former compared to the latter.

    Is it because the former would be an official option in game as opposed to an unofficial mod?
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  8. #228
    Player Seraphor's Avatar
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Zodiark
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Er... some of the pieces you glamour over actually look a whole lot worse.
    Go on, try taking off all of your glamours and see if you'd be happy staying that way.
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  9. #229
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    Wiccan026's Avatar
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    Cerryl Lorinth
    World
    Lamia
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 80
    Yes this would waste resources and they are far better elsewhere... but you're also imposing your will on someone else.

    Someone didn't want to wear there gear as is and so they glamoured over it (if you take a picture, a video) and their clothes are not shown glamoured in your picture you're impacting them (where as is if you don't want their showing glamour in the picture/video you just choose to make sure their not in it, thus not impacting them at all).

    Seriously some people need to calm down.

    Also the logic stating that leading males wear clothes (Cloud, Squall, Zidane) in general most games put clothes on guys and try to make girls as revealing as possible, in almost every case because let's face it, it can help sell games.

    Lulu anyone? A good portion of the spheredressphres of X-2? Fran? Oh and their is precedence for all the guys wearing dresses with that logic as well, Cloud from VII says hi.
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  10. #230
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    Oh but it's totally okay for someone to use a mod that changes the way my character looks on their screen. Yet some of you will cry when a suggestion is made to hide your disgusting glamour? Gurl bye I'm done.
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