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    Quote Originally Posted by linay View Post
    While I feel that certain labels may not be necessary in some situations, an attempt at a nuance can become largely irrelevant when there are two choices in the end: stop what the antagonist is trying to do or not.

    If what the antagonist is doing must be stopped, then the action is evil from the perspective of the protagonist regardless if the protagonist can understand why the antagonist is doing it and can even be tempted to do it given similar circumstances, and if the antagonist is not meant to be evil or is meant to be morally redeemed, then they must be made to see the error of their ways even if they still lose/die in the end. Nuance can be irrelevant here, and can even distract from or even undermine the reason why the antagonist must be stopped in the first place if handled incorrectly.

    I also disagree with moral relativism and wouldn't want the protagonist to have that worldview. I do think it's completely valid to have the protagonist seek to question and clarify their moral worldview, but the end goal should still be to have moral convictions. That's different from moral relativism and I don't think it's naive or necessarily self-righteous to have moral convictions even if not everyone agrees with you.
    Look, I don't mind stories about good and evil, but the writers are clearly trying to go the moral relativist route to some degree here. Good and evil are simplistic, reductive and dismissive labels if used outside of absolute morality situations.

    Based on your arguments, you also might be confusing moral nihilism with relativism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    Please dont forget that Emet and his team plans to sacrifice the complete souls at the end too. There is no future for those of us, only for the Ascians (and maybe those ancients if they can come back). Its not their goal to restore us to how we once were and then live on with that..no they want to make us whole and then sacrifice us..Hydealyn never did genocide. She split the people but it was never said that this would kill them..which would also make no sense because if splitting would have killed us none would be living right now because babies are still born the normal way.
    Heavily depends on how you define life. If you define yourself as the collection of memories and experiences you've had then they're not that much different.
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    Last edited by Lersayil; 02-11-2020 at 09:42 PM.