FFXIV Devs: Please STOP punishing normal players for others breaking the rules.

[Shurrikhan]

Which would you prefer, a program that scans your pc constantly, or living without being able to put down waymarks in combat? I think I can live w/o the waymarkers in combat.

How about any of the options outside of that false ultimatum, such as disrupting 3rd party tool users by placing an ICD on waymarkers movement, including on swaps between a smaller number of (now instance-specific) presets, rather than denying players the ability to move markers as needed altogether?

[QT_Melon]

I honestly have a feeling this was a "soft ban" to see if the people who developed it is going to do a workaround and then when a prominent streamer posts using it they will get the ban hammer to scare the community

[Deceptus]

How about any of the options outside of that false ultimatum, such as disrupting 3rd party tool users by placing an ICD on waymarkers movement, including on swaps between a smaller number of (now instance-specific) presets, rather than denying players the ability to move markers as needed altogether?

Pretty much this. These are supposed to be some of the smartest guys in the room, not the laziest.

[EaMett]

This is a stupid change. Don't get me wrong I understand why they're doing it. But honestly, TEA parties will mindlessly adapt to this change like it's nothing. The markers helped a bit but weren't a big crutch to start with and players in that content are amongst the best in the game. In the meantime the other 97% of the community need to suffer because of it.

Also, kinda sucks for mechanics where different people can interpret safe spots differently.

AAAAAND I'll add that the waymark changing addon is going to move markers on the client side now so it won't change anything except for ps4 players... Just saying.

[Pintsized]

So instead of going after the people abusing the system, SE decides that scorched earth is the better response and to completely change the system. This isn't the first time this has happened either.

Nope, this is how SE have always been, look at FFXI to see a huge number of examples where gameplay was made hugely annoying (or worse) to prevent cheating .. and of course, most of their attempts failed to stop cheats anyway.

[ForteNightshade]

Nope, this is how SE have always been, look at FFXI to see a huge number of examples where gameplay was made hugely annoying (or worse) to prevent cheating .. and of course, most of their attempts failed to stop cheats anyway.

The irony is the marker placement program itself was never cheating. It was a convenience tool that should have been made in-game from the getgo. We actually get almost the whole thing implemented but they just had to go and make a stupid decision to ruin it. Two steps forward, three back.

[Kenky]

The irony is the marker placement program itself was never cheating. It was a convenience tool that should have been made in-game from the getgo. We actually get almost the whole thing implemented but they just had to go and make a stupid decision to ruin it. Two steps forward, three back.

Was said program made by SE? No.

Was said program actively changing data in the game? Yes. (Though only changing waymark positional data. Nothing too serious)

Guess what? That means it's cheating under ToS' guidelines. Which also means using it makes you liable for a ban. Don't like that? Don't use it.

[QT_Melon]

The irony is the marker placement program itself was never cheating. It was a convenience tool that should have been made in-game from the getgo. We actually get almost the whole thing implemented but they just had to go and make a stupid decision to ruin it. Two steps forward, three back.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...k_preset_tool/

This application is literally injecting the commands into FFXIV to place the way markers. It's not doing anything malicious but if this is detected you could face serious consequences for using it, like having your account banned.

Not trying to fear-monger or anything, just a word of warning before start flinging this around and using it all over.

[linay]

The irony is the marker placement program itself was never cheating. It was a convenience tool that should have been made in-game from the getgo. We actually get almost the whole thing implemented but they just had to go and make a stupid decision to ruin it. Two steps forward, three back.

That's the issue. Unless it is a feature provided by the game, automating game play via third party tool has never been allowed as far as I can tell.

People should have put in a concerted effort to request for this feature rather than going the route of third party tool.

[Gojin]

Yeah I hate having to suffer for other people I'm going super casual mode only doing main story content til thet fix things for the party