5.0 WAR is a disappointment

[shao32]

The only mention of WAR in the live letter that I have heard of is an adjustment to Holmgang in PvP.

【ジョブ調整】
・赤魔道士の純粋強化、単体と範囲火力が上がる(フレッシュ強化、コントルシクストの2体目以降の減衰撤廃、ヴァルサンダー/エアロの威力強化)。ジョルト効果アップに数値が引き上げでヴァルサンダーとエアロの威力が伸びる
・召喚士は上げすぎたのでDoTの威力が弱体
・侍の剣圧スタックがジョブHUDに表示されるように
・戦士にちょっとした調整が入る

RDM
- Purely buffs. Damage on both single target and AOE will be buffed. Fleche for example. Contra Sixte's damage falloff is now removed, Verthunder/Veraero's potency is buffed, and the buff is done through the Enhanced Jolt trait adjustments.

SMN
- YoshiP apologized that SMN became way too strong, therefore DoTs will have its potency nerfed. Numbers not specified.

SAM
- SAMs Meditation stacks will now be shown in Job HUD

WAR
- There will be adjustments for the job. Details unspecified

i saw this from reddit discord, there is another about pvp changes talking about WAR holmgang and buffs to other tanks to compete against TBN.

[TouchandFeel]

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I went back and watched the job adjustment part of the live letter again and they do indeed say that "Warrior will get some adjustments" before going into the PvP stuff.
It's right at 1:57:45 in the video. Guess I missed it by skipping around on the video during my first viewing of it.

[Lucy_Pyre]

I went back and watched the job adjustment part of the live letter again and they do indeed say that "Warrior will get some adjustments" before going into the PvP stuff.
It's right at 1:57:45 in the video. Guess I missed it by skipping around on the video during my first viewing of it.

There was no mention of non-PvP changes for WAR in the translations when they were first talking about job changes, that part not being mentioned until much later in the "summary" of the stream in the translations. So unless you can personally understand Japanese and what Yoshida is saying at that point in the livestream I'm somewhat uncertain on if I'd believe that, as the reports are rather conflicting.

[Khimer]

"Truths don't necessarily need to be fact" I'm sorry, but what? The only thing you're really correct about is the fact that "informed opinions do exist" which is true. Unfortunately, Khimer is about as far and away as is possible from having an informed opinion. If anything, his opinions come off as someone who has absolutely no idea how the job even functions at a high level of play, making entirely baseless claims about complexity and difficulty that are simply untrue.

Those glasses don't do much, do they? None of my claims were baseless. If i said something it was backed up with a FACT. And there are whole 3 pages of me saying almost exactly same thing and somehow you still don't seem to get what my points are. While your retort on the other hand only was "no, warrior doesn't have to think, no, warrior is not more complex than gunbreaker".

But, I concede, you are absolutely right, everything you said was true, warrior is indeed the most braindead tank out of all 4, you can play it optimally with half a brain. The fact that you have keep an eye on an active dmg buff and a gauge, doesn't compensate in the slightest for its borefest rotation. In fact even a 6 month baby can get a pink parse by pressing 3 buttons: infuriate, IR and FC. You were right, I apologise. BUT lord knows that you have to be born with genes of a korean pro Starcraft 2 player with the ability to dish out 1000 apm while also, hear me out, press buttons, when they're off cooldown, JUST to be above green parse.

I think you've been arguing this whole time just to argue. This conversation lead to nowhere, and the only time you actually backed up anything you said was when you brought up raid buffs, that's it.
You were right, enjoy your warrior, cya in a year on gnb forums, saying that gnb is your new main and you got tired of boreior. Usually the time to realise that is like 1 month since you picked up the job after patch 4.2, but you take your time, guess.

[Khimer]

【ジョブ調整】
・赤魔道士の純粋強化、単体と範囲火力が上がる(フレッシュ強化、コントルシクストの2体目以降の減衰撤廃、ヴァルサンダー/エアロの威力強化)。ジョルト効果アップに数値が引き上げでヴァルサンダーとエアロの威力が伸びる
・召喚士は上げすぎたのでDoTの威力が弱体
・侍の剣圧スタックがジョブHUDに表示されるように
・戦士にちょっとした調整が入る

RDM
- Purely buffs. Damage on both single target and AOE will be buffed. Fleche for example. Contra Sixte's damage falloff is now removed, Verthunder/Veraero's potency is buffed, and the buff is done through the Enhanced Jolt trait adjustments.

SMN
- YoshiP apologized that SMN became way too strong, therefore DoTs will have its potency nerfed. Numbers not specified.

SAM
- SAMs Meditation stacks will now be shown in Job HUD

WAR
- There will be adjustments for the job. Details unspecified

i saw this from reddit discord, there is another about pvp changes talking about WAR holmgang and buffs to other tanks to compete against TBN.

They said it'll be minor changes. So probably smol potency buffs, smthn about NF and eye buff timer. Maybe even they'll add eye buff to mythril tempest.

[Lucy_Pyre]

Those glasses don't do much, do they? None of my claims were baseless. If i said something it was backed up with a FACT. And there are whole 3 pages of me saying almost exactly same thing and somehow you still don't seem to get what my points are. While your retort on the other hand only was "no, warrior doesn't have to think, no, warrior is not more complex than gunbreaker".

But, I concede, you are absolutely right, everything you said was true, warrior is indeed the most braindead tank out of all 4, you can play it optimally with half a brain. The fact that you have keep an eye on an active dmg buff and a gauge, doesn't compensate in the slightest for its borefest rotation. In fact even a 6 month baby can get a pink parse by pressing 3 buttons: infuriate, IR and FC. You were right, I apologise. BUT lord knows that you have to be born with genes of a korean pro Starcraft 2 player with the ability to dish out 1000 apm while also, hear me out, press buttons, when they're off cooldown, JUST to be above green parse.

I think you've been arguing this whole time just to argue. This conversation lead to nowhere, and the only time you actually backed up anything you said was when you brought up raid buffs, that's it.
You were right, enjoy your warrior, cya in a year on gnb forums, saying that gnb is your new main and you got tired of boreior. Usually the time to realise that is like 1 month since you picked up the job after patch 4.2, but you take your time, guess.

You haven't stated a single fact this entire time, all of your posts have been nothing more than "I don't like X job, SE change it so that it's exactly how I and only I want it to work", and unfortunately for you, you're wrong.

On a side note, Gunbreaker was my first tank, which I then proceeded to drop for Dark Knight, which I then proceeded to (mostly) drop for Warrior. So you can't even make baseless assumptions properly.

[Khimer]

There was no mention of non-PvP changes for WAR in the translations when they were first talking about job changes, that part not being mentioned until much later in the "summary" of the stream in the translations. So unless you can personally understand Japanese and what Yoshida is saying at that point in the livestream I'm somewhat uncertain on if I'd believe that, as the reports are rather conflicting.

He's right, you can hear Yoshida said "senshin" at that point in video which is what war is called in japanese version, that's all you need to know.

[Xtrasweettea]

【ジョブ調整】
・赤魔道士の純粋強化、単体と範囲火力が上がる(フレッシュ強化、コントルシクストの2体目以降の減衰撤廃、ヴァルサンダー/エアロの威力強化)。ジョルト効果アップに数値が引き上げでヴァルサンダーとエアロの威力が伸びる
・召喚士は上げすぎたのでDoTの威力が弱体
・侍の剣圧スタックがジョブHUDに表示されるように
・戦士にちょっとした調整が入る

RDM
- Purely buffs. Damage on both single target and AOE will be buffed. Fleche for example. Contra Sixte's damage falloff is now removed, Verthunder/Veraero's potency is buffed, and the buff is done through the Enhanced Jolt trait adjustments.

SMN
- YoshiP apologized that SMN became way too strong, therefore DoTs will have its potency nerfed. Numbers not specified.

SAM
- SAMs Meditation stacks will now be shown in Job HUD

WAR
- There will be adjustments for the job. Details unspecified

i saw this from reddit discord, there is another about pvp changes talking about WAR holmgang and buffs to other tanks to compete against TBN.

If there are any changes to WAR, they better be a way to lessen the reliance on IR + FC spam for damage. In this expansion, almost all of WAR's single target damage is that IR + FC spam. It feels awful to be honest. There's no reward nor flow.

HW had the best balance when it came to FC: Zerk (+ that Puglist +Crit% Ability) + FC for three then pacification for 5 ticks. If I messed that up, my damage as a whole didn't suffer so much. In SB, missing that IR + FC hurt some, but not too much to where it bothered me. Now, WAR is in a state of our main rotation is actually IR + FC with us basically having a "dot" through a 1-2-3 action.

The way I am seeing WAR these days:

• HW WAR was you and IR+FC in a dating relationship. Sometimes you cannot see each other, but you will see each other soon.
• SB WAR was you and IR+FC in a starting marriage, with some flexibility. If you miss each other or have a fight that day, no big deal, you'll make up for it that night.
• ShB WAR is you and IR+FC in a troubled marriage you are tolerating. If you miss that IR+FC, not will it only divorce you of your damage, they also takes 1/2 of your stuff, the kids, and the house [I literally call IR + FC spam my "Karen Combo"].

I haven't touched WAR since it hit 80.

[Lucy_Pyre]

He's right, you can hear Yoshida said "senshin" at that point in video which is what war is called in japanese version, that's all you need to know.

No it isn't, as during the initial job changes portion of the livestream there were specifically PvP changed mentioned for Warrior.

[Lucy_Pyre]

There's no reward nor flow.

If you miss/mess up major parts of your rotation, your DPS suffers appropriately. How horrible!

Also, the quoted part is factually wrong. If you had, y'know, actually played the job at 80, you would understand that there is very much an extremely specific flow to the job and by utilizing your IC charges & IR at proper times you get rewarded with superior DPS by doing them at poor times.