5.1 NIN slowed down and uninteresting

[ForteNightshade]

Complexity was removed, we had the different timed cds had to mix things up and try to line abilities up for the next trick attack, that is no longer a thing, everything lines up to trick attack now. Ninjutsu also became relegated to mainly Trick attack usage, if Trick attack isn't up, why use ninjutsu? Shuriken prior to the rework got used because it was a quick ninjutsu before jumping back into my combos, now? Why use it? It does less damage then Raiton why not use Raiton? Because ill just wait for Trick Attack to use it since it benefits from trick attacks. Hell Shuriken shouldn't exist anymore because it doesn't have use anymore!

Raiton has always been better. The only reason you used Fuma in Stormblood was due to the passive trait Ninja had and the clipping caused the difference to mis-align things enough Fuma came out slightly ahead unless you had like 10 ping. With the buff to Raiton in Shadowbringers, you simply dealt with the clipping. Fuma died before this rework even happened. Furthermore, you have to use mudras outside Trick otherwise you'll overcap on charges.

I also don't see how everything lining up properly makes the job worse. Having to fix alignment issues isn't engaging, it's annoying, especially when you're trying to coordinate with other players whose buffs may not work in your windows. The end result is you do something less optimal because it benefits everyone else.

[Solowing]

Raiton has always been better. The only reason you used Fuma in Stormblood was due to the passive trait Ninja had and the clipping caused the difference to mis-align things enough Fuma came out slightly ahead unless you had like 10 ping. With the buff to Raiton in Shadowbringers, you simply dealt with the clipping. Fuma died before this rework even happened. Furthermore, you have to use mudras outside Trick otherwise you'll overcap on charges.

I also don't see how everything lining up properly makes the job worse. Having to fix alignment issues isn't engaging, it's annoying, especially when you're trying to coordinate with other players whose buffs may not work in your windows. The end result is you do something less optimal because it benefits everyone else.

So not having to align my abilities is fun? The class is far less interesting, because theirs less to do, less to think about and less to consider, and if it frustrated you, you have the Dancer job, rather then the ninja being turned into a DNC 2.0

[ForteNightshade]

So not having to align my abilities is fun? The class is far less interesting, because theirs less to do, less to think about and less to consider, and if it frustrated you, you have the Dancer job, rather then the ninja being turned into a DNC 2.0

It's certainly better for optimizing the job. So, yes. I do like that because I actually like these changes means I should just have played something else. While it hasn't been my main, I've played Ninja regularly for years now. Prior to 5.0, it was fine but Shadowbringers Ninja was a complete mess of a job. I'd rather have mudras that are partly similar to Dancer steps than ones that make me constantly clip.

I'll agree, Shadowfang is boring now but that's about it.