Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
People trying to get good don't tell you to "<expletive> off" the moment you try to give helpful advice.
People trying to get good don't afk mid-fight.
People trying to get good at least understand the basics of the abilities they had more than 20 levels ago.
People trying to get good at least make use of their toolkit.
People trying to get good at least try to understand how they might, generally speaking, save time or further learn to improve their performance.
People trying to get good at least try once or twice to trust their party when they tell them they can survive if they just use their cooldowns and either AoE or spam heals on the tank and give it a shot before arguing that their say should trump that of their party.

That's the level of competency generally expected from the vast majority of content played in this game. If they were in fact "trying to get good", you'd see far, far fewer people take any issue with them. Again, it's not a high bar.

I've met people trying to get good. They're generally among the most fun runs I get, even if they take longer, because it feels like something was really accomplished and I got to be social for once. But this is not that.
Nice then. Get into an FC of good people, problem solved.
And it is no wonder this thread has quickly derailed into a bad vs good player argument, because this is how ppl would use a dps meter.