"No, he backed off during it. There was no clear sign of defeat there. Deciding to stop a battle and move elsewhere to continue fighting does not mean "you win". Only by game mechanics is that even a thing. If you're going by the game's logic of how we didn't get beaten earlier on, you can't say the same for the dungeon we ran either. Nidhogg's plot was "you killed my fam, I'ma make you suffer" and the entire plot of a previous FF already done. He practically was an edge lord the entire time, especially when he took over Estinien lol. GO FIGURE THE FAN GAME OF ALL FF'S WANTS TO MAKE SIMILAR IDEAS FROM OTHER FF'S???? HUH."

So by your logic he never beat us then. It was all game mechanics. Which is my point. And pointing out how nigghog is a bad villain doesn't change the fact zenos is even worse. I think even I pointed out nigghog isnt good, but he's already better than zenos. He at least left more of an impression then zenos I feel. Both are bad. Nigghog just isnt crashing other plots and is dead completely so he's better by default. Zenos could've left a better mark if he was written better, but his whole thing was under cooked. One he was killed off to soon I feel, his -wins- were badly designed. I think he should've killed you in that first fight. Then using the livestream you come back making the second fight mean more. But game mechanics ruined it I feel. It also doesnt help you see his level in both fights. Something they actually fixed in shadows with another villain.