Child-like characters?

[Bahati]

I'm with SE on this, there's no reason to include child player characters. Also, ya'll arguing preteen Ryne "looks older" or are shipping her with Thancred are being really creepy. I hope you don't have the same energy about actual preteens that you deem look "old enough".

[SturmChurro]

I'm with SE on this, there's no reason to include child player characters. Also, ya'll arguing preteen Ryne "looks older" or are shipping her with Thancred are being really creepy. I hope you don't have the same energy about actual preteens that you deem look "old enough".

Love don't judge. And Ryne is like 14 (?) that's probably legal somewhere, right?

[Bright-Flower]

I'm with SE on this, there's no reason to include child player characters. Also, ya'll arguing preteen Ryne "looks older" or are shipping her with Thancred are being really creepy. I hope you don't have the same energy about actual preteens that you deem look "old enough".

I never really got the Thancred/Minifila shippers before when Thancred was more of a father figure to her, but I could at least sorta see it. With Ryne I'm utterly baffled that anyone would read anything romantic into that or want them to get together.

[Melichoir]

I never really got the Thancred/Minifila shippers before when Thancred was more of a father figure to her, but I could at least sorta see it. With Ryne I'm utterly baffled that anyone would read anything romantic into that or want them to get together.

The whole Thancred/Minfillia shipping I think has more to do with their interactions in 2.0. He doesnt come across as being all that much older than her by any substantial margin, nor does he look it. For me at least, I got the vibe is was some early - mid 20 something free spirited playboy guy who acted teh clown but came through in a pinch, where Minfillia was more a 19-22 YO serious no nonsense type with a soft side. Thancred never struck me as being a father figure for her, or that Minfillia saw him that way, atleast not in 2.0

Maybe Ive watched to much anime or what not, but that is a anime plot line if there ever was one where those two could become a power couple. I could have easily seen the plot move into that direction if it wasnt for the fact that so many people hated Minfillia as a character. While Im just speculating here, that mightve been the whole long term arc that they wanted but people hated Minfillia and SE wrote her out of the story but still had to deal with the set up with Thancred so they moved into the "I was a guardian/father figure for her" as a way to tie up that plot line. But anyways, thats a whole other topic.

I agree. It's not going to happen and it never will. There are parents playing this game and you think we'd like to see kids doing what adults do? Not happening... sorry.

Getting tired of seeing these threads popping up every once in a while asking about the same thing. Leave kids out of this.

So we should remove all kids from the game? NPC too? So no more alphinaud or Alisae? My issue still stems from the issues that arise when you break down their position. One way or the other is fine, just there should be consistency and clarity in the position they take.

[MikkoAkure]

The whole Thancred/Minfillia shipping I think has more to do with their interactions in 2.0. He doesnt come across as being all that much older than her by any substantial margin, nor does he look it. For me at least, I got the vibe is was some early - mid 20 something free spirited playboy guy who acted teh clown but came through in a pinch, where Minfillia was more a 19-22 YO serious no nonsense type with a soft side. Thancred never struck me as being a father figure for her, or that Minfillia saw him that way, atleast not in 2.0

The creep factor comes in because Thancred sorta helped raise Minfilia for 15 years after her dad died in the 1.0 Ul’dah intro echo scene. It’s touched on more in 1.0. At the very least he was a big brother figure and has known her since she was 12. In 2.0, Minfilia is 27 and Thancred is 32, but his age is locked in at ~27 since he’s an archon if that means anything. I still wouldn’t ship it. And Ryne is right out.

[Nezerius]

The whole Thancred/Minfillia shipping I think has more to do with their interactions in 2.0. He doesnt come across as being all that much older than her by any substantial margin, nor does he look it. For me at least, I got the vibe is was some early - mid 20 something free spirited playboy guy who acted teh clown but came through in a pinch, where Minfillia was more a 19-22 YO serious no nonsense type with a soft side. Thancred never struck me as being a father figure for her, or that Minfillia saw him that way, atleast not in 2.0

Thancred is actually 32 years old in ARR, and probably still is, due to the whole time bubble thing in lore. I think Minfilia is around 22 years old in ARR, but the Encyclopaedia Eorzea only mentions when she first experiences the Echo (at around 17 years old) so her actual age depends when she formed the Path of the Twelve. (Edit: Completely missed the first sentence that mentions her current age as 27) I'd say that's at least old enough to be sort of an older brother figure, with how much he wanted to protect her.

[Stepjam]

I can see why people who started with 2.0 would miss it, but yeah, Thancred was always supposed to be Minfillia's adoptive dad, there was never anything romantic between the two.

[Melichoir]

The creep factor comes in because Thancred sorta helped raise Minfilia for 15 years after her dad died in the 1.0 Ul’dah intro echo scene. It’s touched on more in 1.0. At the very least he was a big brother figure and has known her since she was 12. In 2.0, Minfilia is 27 and Thancred is 32, but his age is locked in at ~27 since he’s an archon if that means anything. I still wouldn’t ship it. And Ryne is right out.

Thancred is actually 32 years old in ARR, and probably still is, due to the whole time bubble thing in lore. I think Minfilia is around 22 years old in ARR, but the Encyclopaedia Eorzea only mentions when she first experiences the Echo (at around 17 years old) so her actual age depends when she formed the Path of the Twelve. (Edit: Completely missed the first sentence that mentions her current age as 27) I'd say that's at least old enough to be sort of an older brother figure, with how much he wanted to protect her.

Even wierder then cause their personalities dont line up this way by the way theyre written and presented. If they wanted to do the couple route, 27/32 pairing isnt unusual nor creepy? 4-5 year age gaps between couples that are late 20s or early 30s isnt uncommon. But for the sake of argument, yeah, I could see the older brother angle more readily than father figure. That never worked as a plot point for me simply because the characters didnt really display that attitude from my PoV. Theres a pretty big difference in the older brother being protective of a younger sister and a father figure. This then comes across as either a translation or writing issue. Seems to line up cause when you take into context Ryne, his reservations and disdain towards Ryne becomes unusually weird. From themes alone, Thancred shouldnt feel nearly that much animosity towards Ryne for the reasons he does if the relationship was completely platonic between him and Minfillia. This is the writers failing to write the characters interactions and motivations correctly, translation errors, or that pre-existing lore and etc is making the reasoning difficult to work with.

[Alacran]

Even wierder then cause their personalities dont line up this way by the way theyre written and presented. If they wanted to do the couple route, 27/32 pairing isnt unusual nor creepy? 4-5 year age gaps between couples that are late 20s or early 30s isnt uncommon. But for the sake of argument, yeah, I could see the older brother angle more readily than father figure. That never worked as a plot point for me simply because the characters didnt really display that attitude from my PoV. Theres a pretty big difference in the older brother being protective of a younger sister and a father figure. This then comes across as either a translation or writing issue. Seems to line up cause when you take into context Ryne, his reservations and disdain towards Ryne becomes unusually weird. From themes alone, Thancred shouldnt feel nearly that much animosity towards Ryne for the reasons he does if the relationship was completely platonic between him and Minfillia. This is the writers failing to write the characters interactions and motivations correctly, translation errors, or that pre-existing lore and etc is making the reasoning difficult to work with.

Thank you. Thought i was the only one who felt this way about their dynamic.

[Melichoir]

Thank you. Thought i was the only one who felt this way about their dynamic.

From a purely writing stand point, their dynamic couldve worked as follows:

He was tasked with being her warden. They grow up together and as they age, there is an underlying connection or romance that isnt really touched upon. He flirts with her but hes a bit of a rapscalion so he flirts with everyone. She rebuffs him and admonishes his playboy life, but does appreciate him on a deeper level but wont admit that to herself. Stuff happens, romance eventually starts to occur, they finally are honest with their feelings but everything goes to hell immediately after (assassination plot we have). She gets lifestreamed or whatever the hell happened to her. Tries to bring her back, especially after Yshtola is brought out of the lifestream herself, which gives him hope.

Eventually finds her, finds out she cant come back as shes gotta go to the first and do her thing there, in the end resulting in a lot of bitterness, regret, and unrequited feelings over how everything went. Gets Emotastic like he does, story progresses kind of as we know it. He gets sucked to the first, hears about Minfillia, has hope only to have it dashed realizing its not the Minfillia, has a lot of resentment, anger, and bitterness towards Mini-Fillia because she ends up representing his personal loss and vents his bitterness and feelings onto her all the while knowing that he cant let her alone cause she is integral to saving the first. Eventually snaps to and comes to terms with Minfillia not coming back and with Ryne, especially if this is done by him seeing Minfillia one last time where he can finally have resolution and lighten up and properly look out for Ryne and actually treat her as a daughter figure


It may be a bit cliche, but it is a lot more cohesive a story and character arc for Thancred then what we got IMO. I think most of the story arcs involving the Scions tend to be poorly handled over all, which is unfortunate. It's not that I dont like the scions or their characterization for the most part, it's just their individual stories tend to be clunky or poorly played out. But Im not 100% up to speed on 1.0 lore as it were, so I dont even know if this would work. Considering 1.0 is kinda like the red headed stepchild of the whole FFXIV continuity, Im fairly certain they couldve retconned a lot of it and no one wouldve really cared to deeply. But anyways, this is getting a bit off topic though.