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    Quote Originally Posted by Xianghua View Post
    Then he is stealing money from the store not the old lady. Either way the money the old lady gave legally would belong to the store.
    If you paid a store $10, and I rang you up and ended with $90 of your dollars in my pocket, I don't think there's any doubt who is guilty. It's arguable that the store stole from you and I stole from the store, but I don't think that would hold. The store, as it were, would try to distance itself, putting my head on the chopping block instead of theirs. If you'd like to test this theory, I will happily come through a checkout line you're working.

    That is a thief. The problem is this is not what happened. The guy offered to give most of the money back. But the idiot refused it and decided to start calling him names instead. Is the guy an asshole? yes. Does the guy owe him the money back legally? no. Morally? Yes he should give it back but there is nothing SE or anyone else can do about it. Call me w/e you want but that doesn't make me heartless for speaking the truth. Nonetheless, that is not exactly the scenario.
    You're mostly right, but since we're arguing the finer points of legality--which often come down to a jury rather than a spelled-out precedent for a crime--I have to point out a few more details. Nick removed his legal advantage in the chat log. First we'd need to decide whether or not the "friends" were actually speaking on behalf of Nick. In either case, please note the number of times they say "Give your money back"--in most cases, "ur money," etc. At the very least, we can conclude that the involved parties (most likely including Nick) have admitted that the money rightfully belongs to the OP. And because it seems that Nick is bragging about it, we can conclude that he does NOT view this as a normal, everyday fair trade. All of you who are saying that Nick didn't do anything wrong--he just innocently repaired some guys item at what could have very well passed for the average market price--just more-or-less lost your point from a legal standpoint. Next, check out the quote I mentioned in my last post--I don't feel like fishing it out or retyping the hideous grammar. He said something to the effect of "shout an apology and I will give you 11m back." This is blackmail, because it's already established that it is the OP's money. I also do not feel like finding and linking to laws in many countries regarding blackmail, because you are all more than welcome to use Google for such things. If you are still set on defending Nick, check out bribery while you're at it, since Nick is offering a disproportionate amount of money to get his name shouted. I'm sure that a team of professional lawyers would have no problem explaining how many ways this was criminal, and the defense would have a hard time.

    I think that if Nick were smart he would have kept this a secret, because he's basically incriminated himself here. Gloating about it basically ruined his shot at a defense of "I just did a normal, right thing!" However, what SE will do (or won't do) is up to them. Do I want players like this Nick character on a game I pay for to have fun? No. But I'm sure he was having a blast, and who am I to take that from him? I hope that SE does something for you, but chances are they're going to default to "It was your mistake, so we can't help you." And in the end, that's true, and it would be absurd to hold a full jury trial in-game for gil. In this case, it would we best to submit a report to the GMs, get your copy/pasted response, facepalm, and start farming moar gilz.
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    Last edited by Mychael; 01-24-2012 at 03:49 AM.