Retainer Quick ventures

[Omymy]

They level pretty much by thmselves, though, player does almost nothing for it personally. Along the leveling way everything you need is buying clothes from NPC vendors at max. At max level you can gear them with clothes that you don't use anymore by yourself. Sending them to the venture iself costs 2 coins (that are very easy to get in horrific amount) and after that you are free to do whatever you want for an hour, it's not like you obliged to sit there waiting for them. So yeah, 5k loot isn't bad, considering you can do few runs per game session depending on your online and in long time perspective they will bring you much more gil you spent on them.
Also one more thing: if every retainer would bring rare and valuable item from every run they do, this item will not be nor rare or valuable anymore. It will be generic trash loot that costs 5 gil due to being common. So in the end... nothing changes.

You're right. I've come to my senses, and I think the retainers should bring us flowers and trash. Not worth more than 4k, of course, no one deserves such treasures.

[Halivel]

You're right. I've come to my senses, and I think the retainers should bring us flowers and trash. Not worth more than 4k, of course, no one deserves such treasures.

You didn't get the point at all it seems.

1. 5k loot from retainer isn't bad considering you can do few runs per day on few different retainers and as result have not bad profit per day with doing nothing but paying 2 coins and 3 seconds for this profit.
2. Common loot doesn't cost much not because it's bad, it doesn't cost much because it's common.
3. Price for the item is setted by players. Market economy, you see.
4. Going from 2 and 3: if you will get loot that is rare now and because of it costs more in every venture run it will not be rare anymore and so will lose its price.

Conclusion: retainers ventures is an almost free gamble game that works in combination with market economy that is setted on your server. You either get common loot that doesn't cost a lot because it's common or you get something rare and make good profit on it because it's rare. That's it. It's same gamble as Gold Saucer MGP tickets: you get nothing or something or everything depending on your luck with Japanese random.

[Iscah]

You didn't get the point at all it seems.

He gets the point, I'm sure. But you do see certain people being contrary and argumentative in every single topic they enter, and if you talk sense they'll just find something else to complain about.

[Omymy]

He gets the point, I'm sure. But you do see certain people being contrary and argumentative in every single topic they enter, and if you talk sense they'll just find something else to complain about.

Yeah, i got the point, thats why i stop arguing.

About the rest of your personal appreciations, i can only say this: