Child-like characters?

[Senn]

As a point, a fairly large and vocal portion of the player base views lalafells as analogues for children and without some credibility to their argument.

Actually, adult lalafells and child lalafells have the same models. So lalafells do look like children even in the ffxiv universe. Even their emotes are quite childish. Does it really matter, though? The adult lalafells are treated as adults, and they act like adults as well.

If a new race or character model option came out, and it happened to have the same stature and physique as Alisaie or Alphinaud for example, I think that would be fine. If they are an adult, and as long as they are treated as an adult and behave like an adult, I don't see the problem with the character being playable. If people have a problem with this, but think lalafells are ok, then it's just fake outrage.

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Just fyi, I am not asking for younger versions of the races to be available. I just like characters that are on the smaller side, and that are also slim.

[enthauptet]

The lorebook noted that Elezen have longer lifespans then Hyurs and also age slower as a side-effect with their puberty happening in their 20s as opposed to the teens.

That said, I think Alphinaud and Alisaie are unlikely to change much by the end of the game's lifespan.

Even if they try to deny it, the fact they made that up in the lore kind of makes a stronger argument for the loli shota twincest types out there... there have been some other popular sketchy things that are basically the same as those two.

It would be better to have more varied age looks and body types, maybe less angry au ra faces too lol.

[Melichoir]

Actually, adult lalafells and child lalafells have the same models. So lalafells do look like children even in the ffxiv universe. Even their emotes are quite childish. Does it really matter, though? The adult lalafells are treated as adults, and they act like adults as well.

If a new race or character model option came out, and it happened to have the same stature and physique as Alisaie or Alphinaud for example, I think that would be fine. If they are an adult, and as long as they are treated as an adult and behave like an adult, I don't see the problem with the character being playable. If people have a problem with this, but think lalafells are ok, then it's just fake outrage.

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Just fyi, I am not asking for younger versions of the races to be available. I just like characters that are on the smaller side, and that are also slim.

This kinda outlines my point. Now Ill give some leeway to the devs regarding lalafell children simply due to production limitation and I would hazard if given design time, lalafell children would not look like their adult counter parts. As a point, not every race has a child character, or if they have one its a model modification (throw elf ears on a Hyur child model and voila! Elezen child!) so I get creating a child for lalafells who have vastly different models would be more time consuming than it needs to be for their involvement msq or sidequest. Keep in mind that this isnt exclusive to FFXIV. For the longest while, goblins in WoW were essentially the same model until cata. But anyways, it would be a nice touch for the world building though to have each race have children running about. But I digress.

In any case, yeah, there is a mental disconnect going on here regarding children or child analogues PCs. If the arguement its all about stated age and not so much appearance, than there is no problem with younger looking characters (particularly if theyre only humanoid, not inherently human). If it is an issue with appearance regardless of age, then the playerbase has a justified issue with lalafells and their appearance. I just want consistency. Either redesign lalafells, or dont make it about "Well we want to not encourage the creepers."

[Omymy]

Only issue I see is inconsistency in how they determine what is and isnt suitable regarding 'younger characters'. As a point, a fairly large and vocal portion of the player base views lalafells as analogues for children and without some credibility to their argument. So why are the devs ok with this perception but not with the younger appearance characters? What is the differentiation here that the devs are making? To remain consistent with their own position, wouldnt this mean they need to address Lalafell designs?

If I had to take a stab at it, its because the distinction is either the devs dont consider lalafell designs to be childlike or that since theyve made quite a bit of effort to demonstrate that lalafells are adults in world (NPC dialogue/quests/and player interactions) that appearance isnt the issue as long as the stated age of the character is above a thresh hold. If they were really concerned about that issue, then it would stand to reason that Lalafells need to be addressed and explained to a large part of the palyer base why that becomes the exception or redesign lalafells. Personally, Im not opposed to the latter, as the redesigns wouldnt have to be extreme (define arms and legs to have actual basic definition/joints, and adjust torso to have more basic feminine/masculine averages).

Clothes, emotes, appearance, everything and absolutely everything makes anyone see them as children.

And if not, tell me, why are even bathing clothes different in that race than in all the others, why don't they allow you to change the size of the bust?

And seriously speaking, if that is the case, what difference does it make, why are the lovers of that race themselves the ones who deny something so obvious and evident, it's all right, all of us who have played with them know the feeling of happiness they transmit to you.

I really don't understand.

[Senn]

lalafell children would not look like their adult counter parts

Well, it doesn't really matter what they would have looked like. The fact of the matter is that, right now, adult lalafell and children lalafell both share the same model. If it was seriously that big of an issue (which it's not), I'm sure they would have been remodeled by now. And honestly, I don't see many people that outraged by it. What I'm saying is that it's really not a big deal.

In any case, yeah, there is a mental disconnect going on here regarding children or child analogues PCs. If the arguement its all about stated age and not so much appearance, than there is no problem with younger looking characters (particularly if theyre only humanoid, not inherently human).

Agreed with this. I don't see a problem with a race like the lyn from blade and soul for example.

[Theodric]

Thankfully the development team have already put out a statement that implies that we won't be seeing any additional child-like playable races or customisation options added to the game. It was back when they addressed the controversy surrounding the lack of male viera. It's a little strange that some individuals keep pushing for the equivalent of the physiques of underage characters like Alphinaud and Alisae with that in mind - especially when the development team have put their foot down on that front as well.

[Lauront]

This is simple: Because completely normal, non-creepy people like to see children go on adventures. Harry Potter, the Goonies, Naruto, Full Metal Alchemist - franchises starring children have long had a healthy population of non-perverted adults that enjoy them. I'm guessing that a lot of the folks who wish to play the game as child characters for innocent reasons have, in the back of their minds, a bunch of addendums, like "OBVIOUSLY, Haurchefant's crush on the WoL will be written out if the player is playing as a child character," which would be pretty manpower-intense to actually implement in-game.

Actually implementing child characters in this game in an acceptable way would be a monumental undertaking, but I DO understand why folks would want SE to make the effort. There's no shortage of adventure games out there that put you into the shoes of a child (Zelda games, for instance), and no one thinks you're a perv for enjoying those. Wanting to create a child character of your own (rather than one someone else designed, like Link) and send them on adventures is totally understandable, and not automatically suspect in any way. It's just not practical, unless the game was designed for such characters from the start.

But they won't do it because of the completely abnormal, creepy people. There's already the dubious "but they're actually adults!" excuse for Lalafell; it does not change what any "erotic" depiction of them is really appealing to at a base level, but at least SE can point to the fact that they're adults as plausible deniability when some of their fans depict them in such compromising situations. Likewise, with Alphinaud and Alisaie, they can control exactly how they're dressed and perceived.

Worse yet, knowing how they often use such things as excuses, it'd potentially become a pretext not to have any revealing outfits on adult characters or any flirtatious overtures by the NPCs, which they already do to an extent because they think their western audiences are too mentally fragile to handle Haurchefant being raunchy with their WoL. Plus we'd have to endure endless "how can the antagonists do that to a child!" tantrums, which we already see some people bring up whenever the prospect of killing one of the twins off arises, even though they voluntarily accompany the WoL.

No thanks.

[NessaWyvern]

Clothes, emotes, appearance, everything and absolutely everything makes anyone see them as children.

And if not, tell me, why are even bathing clothes different in that race than in all the others, why don't they allow you to change the size of the bust?

Actually, you CAN change the size of a female Lalafell's bust. They have a bust slider like all other female characters. It only makes a small difference, but it's there.

[Omymy]

Actually, you CAN change the size of a female Lalafell's bust. They have a bust slider like all other female characters. It only makes a small difference, but it's there.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeh, no, because even if you put max or min it's still the same.

[lolicon09]

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeh, no, because even if you put max or min it's still the same.

Actually, there IS a difference between min and max bust size for Lalafell ladies, which can be seen in the character creation screen. BUT you have to wear nothing, place the camera in the correct angle, and zoom in as much as posible; then just move the bar from 0 to 100 and you'll be able to see an awfully small increase