Quote Originally Posted by tdb View Post
Because, unfortunately, a certain group of people has used the expression to justify their boneheadedness often enough that it's become associated with the group.
Yeah, I'm just not convinced that it's an association rather than an assumption. Why? Because too much of the 'logic' on the part of elitists in this thread alone bespeaks binary thinking: you're either hardcore and serious about gitting gud enough for raiding, or you're one of those fun-loving casuals without so much as a scintilla of competence. Which brings me to...

Quote Originally Posted by Angus-Beef
Edit: In fact its funny you assume all these things about where I stand but I simply say, if you dont want to put the effort forward dont involve yourself within EX and Savage runs. In the end if you can't put two brain cells together for the run you've joined then you're part of the problem, if you treat people like shit for needing to improve you're part of the problem. I dont care if people are casual, but pull your weight within this optional content. Dont get mad if people kick you for not doing so, dont act like people are being elitist. Just realize if people are kicking you and you can't clear, its a you problem no one else and people dont have to deal with it.
I'm not making an assumption about where you stand. What I, and a number of other casuals do say is that a) we're not good enough to tackle Savage and Ex content, and b) are not willing to expend the time and effort on getting good enough to do so. Your clear implicature was that players such as us "can't put two braincells together," and that it's our fault that the rest of the content in the game has been dumbed down to suit. So it is you, as it turns out, who is making an unwarranted and uncharitable assumption here; it be like me assuming that all raiders are no-lifers suffering from monomania—but I don't, because I don't need to reduce groups to stereotypes in order to construct an argument.

As for negativity being aimed at controller players: I haven't seen a lot in FFXIV either, other than the odd taunting remark over FC chat that was meant in jest in any case. However, I inserted that aside because PC Master Race types (another brand of elitist) really do 'bomb' on controller/console players. Ever seen the Mackscorner/Worth a Buy channel? He's a moderately popular YouTuber who regularly attributes the decline of this or that franchise to 'consolisation,' blames simplistic combat on the developers having 'run out of buttons,' (apparently he's never heard of FFXIV), and implies that if a game has been streamlined or dumbed down then it is due to catering to a console audience (who, by way of implication are, you know, dumb). On that last point in particular, you maybe able to infer why I included that aside.