What is FFXIV trying to BE?

[Gun_Anam]

Also isn't guild wars and guild wars 2 under NCsoft? I'm pretty sure they are.

Sort of. I wouldn't call it an NCSoft game tho. It's being developed by Arenanet who were bought by NCSoft a number of years ago but still work as the Arenanet team. Dev team is Arenanet, but customer support will be NCSoft. Arenanet have a good track record, but NCSoft's track record is appalling. From the tone of your post, I'm guessing you have the same hatred for NCSoft as I do.

On topic, those 'buzzwords' were explained further in one of the letters from the producer. I don't care enough to look for it. They're explaining the new dev teams approach to the task they were given. 'tis fairly straight forward. As for what the game is trying to be, they're not even completely sure of that themselves yet hence the players polls. They're trying to establish exactly which direction they should be taking the game. They want the game to be a Final Fantasy title that the players want to play and they're doing their best to make it just that.

[gifthorse]

On topic, those 'buzzwords' were explained further in one of the letters from the producer. I don't care enough to look for it. They're explaining the new dev teams approach to the task they were given. 'tis fairly straight forward. As for what the game is trying to be, they're not even completely sure of that themselves yet hence the players polls. They're trying to establish exactly which direction they should be taking the game. They want the game to be a Final Fantasy title that the players want to play and they're doing their best to make it just that.

Don't come into my thread and be all "mister rational". Can't you tell this is an irrational thread?

I think they need to just come out and tell us what their intentions are with the armory system, what their ideas for content are, and how the game will play overall, including the combat system, so we can finally just move on. The only reason we're clinging on is because we think there's potential. And SE needs to confirm or deny that for us.

They must have some idea what direction they intend to take, because how else are they developing content without a direction? They must know by now that developing a game without a direction isn't a good idea. Just look at FFXIV.

[Joe_Cool]

Take Guildwars 2 for example. Supposedly the saying around the workplace at Arenanet is "seamless".

Doesn't "seamless" just mean consistent? I understand those FFXIV "buzzwords" (as you put it) alot more than the Guildwars 2 buzzword of "seamless" lol

[gifthorse]

Doesn't "seamless" just mean consistent? I understand those FFXIV "buzzwords" (as you put it) alot more than the Guildwars 2 buzzword of "seamless" lol

That's more a fault of your own though.

Seamless just means taking you from place to place, or event to event, without it seeming contrived. In FFXIV, you are constantly checking your journal and going to levequest counters to activate or double-check quests. You are constantly having to stop and think about party balance or go through several menus to do anything. Even behest has you jumping through occasional hoops.

Meh...

[Kilta_Firelotus]

gift
they did tell you..... you just chose to ingore it

the armory system was never about set classes. but more templates.

the only set is under the disipline
hand war land magic

we are given the chance to mix and match or stick to one of those. Pretty much create our own classes insted of a job and sub job what wasn't very customisable.

Kinda like elder scroll games, well at least in morrowind.

I tried Aion from NCsoft. The game was fun, just the community was well
think of the forum, but make it 10 times worst. I got yell at for the most retarted things. Like looking for a legion under lvl 25. I was new to the game and really had no effin Idea on what to do. And no one was helpful.

[Evangela]

some players: be FFXI-2

some ***: be WoW clone

SE: be anything but another failure

me: be Final Fantasy, be enjoyable game

[Gun_Anam]

I think they need to just come out and tell us what their intentions are with the armory system, wihat their ideas for content are, and how the game will play overall, including the combat system, so we can finally just move on.

Mr gifthorse, I normally disagree with most of what you say (albeit without actually posting my disagreement because the forum doesn't need more people arguing over minor points) but I completely agree with your above point and how it was worded.

For the most part all we have is a list of minor changes that are planned, with a couple of pieces of larger content that are being worked on (ie. Companies). I understand Yoshi P has only been in the position for 3 months (not a long time) and is making a huge commendable effort to change thing for the better. He's doing a great job, but surely one would think there is a bigger picture that includes things like the armory system, quests, chocobos, airships, etc. He has started to show us a little of what is coming up with a couple of pieces of concept art of armours which is all nice for the casual players who love that kind of stuff, but players who are more interested in game mechanics than fluff would like to know how the game mechanics are going to evolve.

[gifthorse]

gift
they did tell you..... you just chose to ingore it

the armory system was never about set classes. but more templates.

the only set is under the disipline
hand war land magic

we are given the chance to mix and match or stick to one of those. Pretty much create our own classes insted of a job and sub job what wasn't very customisable.

Kinda like elder scroll games, well at least in morrowind.

I tried Aion from NCsoft. The game was fun, just the community was well
think of the forum, but make it 10 times worst. I got yell at for the most retarted things. Like looking for a legion under lvl 25. I was new to the game and really had no effin Idea on what to do. And no one was helpful.

So what's their philosophy? Play your own roles in a world you can't even change? Freedom to BE what you want, but no freedom to DO what you want?

The whole role-play element is totally undermined by the other 90% of the game that imposes specific roles upon you.

That's my point, the game is rife with design contradictions.

[MysaZages]

Fun = let's have fun with this, Live = depends on definition of live, Reboot = get rid of pre-loaded attitudes, Rebuild = should be obvious. Having been in multiple business meetings buzz words are usually just catchy titles for slideshow pages. I'm sure it would make more sense if we could see the whole slide.

I have said before that elements of the game when I first started disoriented me a bit. Of course the retainer build wasn't complete at the start of the game and if they had not completed that I would not continue to play. But "motley crew of contradictory features?" Haven't found that to be the case. Were you still playing when the servers went down?

I see very strong views on where SE wants to take this game. And they certainly did "REBOOT" their thinking on this MMO as compared to FFXI. I am the type of player that FFXIV is made for - not necessarily a "casual" player, but I cannot play more than 3-4 times a week. FFXIV's vision is a game where everyone who plays can be successful. Also I have played alongside others without partying, have partied and not linked leves (only because I didn't know u could until a couple of months ago), and if they had to create a scenario that was separate for each and every player - you couldn't party it anyway.

I have not played any of the games you use as examples but have been playing FF since the beginning, DiabloII, StarCraft, and WOW are the other MMOs I've played. Always come home to FF.

[Gracious]

large text scares me.

Me too!!! Run away.