Recent Developments of TOS Actions Taken

[SieyaM]

Speaking for myself, this wasn't my aim at all. My concern was with their ability (or inability) to deal with RMT or other questionable behaviors. I just want to know what is acceptable or not regarding evidence of ToS breaches. Should I take a screenshot or record a video? If they are using Twitch streams to monitor player behavior, logic would dictate that they would accept such things. But the ToS doesn't state that, nor have GMs in the past. What SE says, or has said, on the matter and what they have done contradict one another.

But otherwise yeah, "don't be a jerk" is great advice for life.

In regards to the type of evidence they will accept, from what I have gathered what made this different was that is was not a recorded video or screenshot but a live stream of someone with their FFXIV name plainly in view while they were playing their own account, and their FFXIV profile had their stream name in it. It seems like odds of the evidence being forged or altered in this case were next to none.

[Vahlnir]

In regards to the type of evidence they will accept, from what I have gathered what made this different was that is was not a recorded video or screenshot but a live stream of someone with their FFXIV name plainly in view while they were playing their own account, and their FFXIV profile had their stream name in it. It seems like odds of the evidence being forged or altered in this case were next to none.

It is still 3rd party evidence, which we were told was unacceptable in the past. After a live stream is over, it is typically available for viewing somehow. I doubt that everyone handling this guy's ban watched it live. It had to be recorded for viewing to determine the punishment and severity. Don't get me wrong though, the guy had it coming. I won't even contest that.

[linay]

It is still 3rd party evidence, which we were told was unacceptable in the past.

Are you sure you're not confusing evidence from a third party with evidence from the player himself (as a verified user) via a third party platform?

[Yshtola]

It is still 3rd party evidence, which we were told was unacceptable in the past. After a live stream is over, it is typically available for viewing somehow. I doubt that everyone handling this guy's ban watched it live. It had to be recorded for viewing to determine the punishment and severity. Don't get me wrong though, the guy had it coming. I won't even contest that.

Where have you been these past 4 years? People on Twitter got plenty of warnings for displaying sexually explicit screenshots of their characters.

[Vahlnir]

Where have you been these past 4 years? People on Twitter got plenty of warnings for displaying sexually explicit screenshots of their characters.

They have. And yet, RMT and bots can't be recorded or screenshotted.

[Yshtola]

They have. And yet, RMT and bots can't be recorded or screenshotted.

Nice deflection. SE has always used whatever evidence they had at their disposal when it couldn't be forged.

[SturmChurro]

Where have you been these past 4 years? People on Twitter got plenty of warnings for displaying sexually explicit screenshots of their characters.

Yeah, but how can they prove which character is theirs? Twitter would be empty without the miqo'te Playboy shoots.

[QT_Melon]

Yeah, but how can they prove which character is theirs? Twitter would be empty without the miqo'te Playboy shoots.

To be fair they said WARNING, not bans

It is still 3rd party evidence, which we were told was unacceptable in the past. After a live stream is over, it is typically available for viewing somehow. I doubt that everyone handling this guy's ban watched it live. It had to be recorded for viewing to determine the punishment and severity. Don't get me wrong though, the guy had it coming. I won't even contest that.

This is going in circles, it's the TYPE of third party evidence, a VERIFIED Twitch account is different than Joe pulling up something in Discord, and someone with Notepad editing the XML file, and using Photoshop on a screenshot.

Not doing in the past doesn't even matter, if it's in line with their TOS now.

[Yshtola]

Yeah, but how can they prove which character is theirs? Twitter would be empty without the miqo'te Playboy shoots.

Because players put their Twitter handle in their search info/lodestone?

[tdb]

It is still 3rd party evidence, which we were told was unacceptable in the past. After a live stream is over, it is typically available for viewing somehow. I doubt that everyone handling this guy's ban watched it live. It had to be recorded for viewing to determine the punishment and severity. Don't get me wrong though, the guy had it coming. I won't even contest that.

But after the stream is stored, Twitch will still retain the information that it was from his channel, right? No third party would have been able to put that there. The important thing here is that his Twitch account and FFXIV character profile have links to each other, thus it was possible to prove beyond reasonable doubt that it was his video. If you capture a video of someone else doing bad stuff, post it to your own youtube channel and offer it as evidence, such a link does not exist.