Recent Developments of TOS Actions Taken

[Gula]

I Totally Agree with SE on BAN /

/ other thing is - if The Person would know that is doing low damage rotations, then the person could think how to improve

People will ridicule before coaching for the most part. See any day 1 alliance raid. And with numbers to back them, they'll ridicule even harder.

[VenKitsune]

You won't get any answers to that as it would let players know how to avoid detection. One reason why the STF has no interaction with the community.

What?! Avoid detection? From what?

Right now, it seems like saying a single swear word accidentally or not is a grounds for a ban, but we have no idea because SE isnt transparent enough. How is not knowing if cursing is a bannable offense "avoiding detection"?

[Angus-Beef]

The sad part is, I feel mentality like this would happen less if people actually made an effort to get better, and people had more empathy. We shouldn't have to wonder how far SEs reach is if the line was more clear between casual content and EX/Savage.

That being said SE still needs to speak on the matter, if someone shows me laughing at someone in my private discord, is that a means for a ban, if one of you talk about how bad (insert name here) healer was, can and will that be used as evidence against you, if presented to SE. Is this a one time thing ecause he's a streamer, cuz his info was in his lode stone?

All in all its odd either way.

[Angus-Beef]

People will ridicule before coaching for the most part. See any day 1 alliance raid. And with numbers to back them, they'll ridicule even harder.

Why is it anyone else's responsibility to tell someone to self improve before they do new/hard content?

It should be common sense like empathy. Yet here we are seeing a lack of both.

[Gula]

Why is it anyone else's responsibility to tell someone to self improve before they do new/hard content?

It should be common sense like empathy. Yet here we are seeing a lack of both.

Maybe, just maybe, they're new to raiding, don't follow every aspect of mmo culture from the WoW days they never experienced, and play like most people who don't know how to min/max with specific order of skills.

Or, like all PS4 players... are on PS4. No parse tools here. Unless you're on the development team and are looking at numbers to balance the fight. If by chance, they're a long time Final Fantasy fan and bought the game off PSN, how would someone just know how to find this stuff? It's just a hard mode boss featuring a long time summon.

Consider seeing a bigger picture over a straight line. Many people from different backgrounds play this game after all.

[Vnolan]

It's obvious that parsers are okay to them, but I'm wondering where their line is for "going too far" in terms of third party programs, because things like ACT can be set up to automate callouts for mechanics based on debuffs (IE, it can call out positionings for both Limit Cuts in TEA based on what number you get), other add-ons can automatically set up markers based on what mechanics are happening, etc.

The only things against the ToS that officially get a pass are parsing and some graphical mods. While they don't go after trigger use, they can at anytime they want.

What?! Avoid detection? From what?

What basis does SE have that proves said non in-game evidence actually came from the accused party, and not someone acting under an assumed name? How can SE know that evidence may or may not be doctored?

I really want to hear SE justify this, and their basis for how they KNEW the evidence was legit - How did they know the twitch streamer was actually the player and not just a "reaction video/stream", and how did they know how to link those social media accounts of the data miners to the SE accounts?

You know how everyone is aware that GMs can access chat logs and it's regularly suggested to not give them any proof if you're doing something you shouldn't? Like that, but for whatever method SE is using to verify the "third-party" info.

Right now, it seems like saying a single swear word accidentally or not is a grounds for a ban, but we have no idea because SE isnt transparent enough. How is not knowing if cursing is a bannable offense "avoiding detection"?

Profanity is not allowed:
User Agreement
"3.3 Profanity and Offensive Language. You may not use profanity or any language that a reasonable person would find offensive. The Game is for players aged 13 and older. You agree to behave accordingly."

There have been several cases on here and Reddit of players being suspended for it.

If you're talking about streaming, you'd have to ask a GM about that. I don't know why you would be concerned with that when there has been one case and it involved actions that affected another player.

If you want to know if something is allowed, you can attempt to contact a GM to get an official answer. Start to file a report like you would for harassment and ask your question there.

[Angus-Beef]

Maybe, just maybe, they're new to raiding, don't follow every aspect of mmo culture from the WoW days they never experienced, and play like most people who don't know how to min/max with specific order of skills.

Or, like all PS4 players... are on PS4. No parse tools here. Unless you're on the development team and are looking at numbers to balance the fight. If by chance, they're a long time Final Fantasy fan and bought the game off PSN, how would someone just know how to find this stuff? It's just a hard mode boss featuring a long time summon.

Consider seeing a bigger picture over a straight line. Many people from different backgrounds play this game after all.

And having seen the big picture and having seen many players presented with every guide and tool necessary, and they still refuse to use them. At what point is it anyone else's responsibility to tell them that they need to improve.

From a former ps4 player.

And as far as WOW goes, I wish like Wow, FF told players they needed to improve prior to them doing anything at max lvl.

[ForteNightshade]

My analogy applies to giving evidence that may not show the complete picture. You think video is also indisputable as well. Editing a video to not show the entire scene or situation clearly can result in the same thing. Youre disputing my point cause "Oh this is twitch" and then assuming twitch (or streams) is infallible ..

You keep quoting me yet don't seem to read my actual posts. I didn't say video, I said Twitch. Likewise, I never said the platform is infallible. Just that you cannot doctor a live stream because the recording is housed through Twitch, thus it's impossible for someone to re-upload it. Furthermore, I outside said a GM could shadow an accused players to see for themselves if they're cheating. This isn't a difficult concept, and many other games do it. For all WoW's faults, they handle botting and cheating MUCH better than FFXIV despite at one point having ten times the playerbase. The issue is SE relies on the STF—a team of four people housed in Japan. Four people to police an active playerbase of at least half a million. It's hardly a wonder why nothing gets done.

Nevertheless, please actually read what I'm saying if you're going to reply to me.

[Angus-Beef]

You keep quoting me yet don't seem to read my actual posts. I didn't say video, I said Twitch. Likewise, I never said the platform is infallible. Just that you cannot doctor a live stream because the recording is housed through Twitch, thus it's impossible for someone to re-upload it. Furthermore, I outside said a GM could shadow an accused players to see for themselves if they're cheating. This isn't a difficult concept, and many other games do it. For all WoW's faults, they handle botting and cheating MUCH better than FFXIV despite at one point having ten times the playerbase. The issue is SE relies on the STF—a team of four people housed in Japan. Four people to police an active playerbase of at least half a million. It's hardly a wonder why nothing gets done.

Nevertheless, please actually read what I'm saying if you're going to reply to me.

It's funny because a lot of people don't realize just how small 14s team is and how much better things would content and management wise if they had more people dedicated to specific aspects for each part of the game.

[Gojin]

Theres like a million bots running around daily, and still get RMT stuff spammed, but GMs have time to police every streamers twitch stream, thats what people should be talking about.