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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
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    My analogy applies to giving evidence that may not show the complete picture. You think video is also indisputable as well. Editing a video to not show the entire scene or situation clearly can result in the same thing. Youre disputing my point cause "Oh this is twitch" and then assuming twitch (or streams) is infallible . It's not. Mind you when that streamed evidence is presented to a GM, its not live, its a saved recording after the fact. Furthermore, you more or less do get the right point - They wont ban someone based on a stream or a third party linking action but they can investigate that claim and see if it happens in game when they witness it. Meaning, theyre not gonna ban someone cause you caught them on stream because you are not a credible source. They will initiate a ban if they catch them in the act, not because you recorded it. All you are doing is potentially making them aware of an issue they can investigate. Of course whether they will or not is completely up for debate. For practicality, theyre not gonna advertise that if you got footage of a botter/hacker that theyll investigate simply because its gonna result in a ton of spam. This ISNT like Arthars though. This isnt Me recording Arthars doing something where I can potentially alter the recording or evidence. This is Arthars HIMSELF doing it, and showing it off.

    And I always love the "See WoW bans botters so much better than FFXIV cause SE dont care". Cause IMO they dont. Depending on where you look, Ive seen more bots on wow relatively speaking than ffxiv. This doesnt mean that FFXIV doesnt have bot problems, but I think its always a disingenuous argument people make to suggest wow is somehow huge magnitudes better at handling bots than FFXIV. WoW has had and still does have issues at times with botting and RMT. This is something I havent seen any MMO effectively combat without heavy handedness or breaking their economy.

    As for blurring, most bigger streamers Ive seen do blur names. Those that dont probably should, otherwise they could be opening up themselves to the same problem that the ToS is attempting to address. If youre a streamer and you dont care, well, thats on you. It gets you nothing, absolutely nothing, to have the names of your fellow players on act in a live stream if theyre not actively ok with it. So if you want to be careless, go for it. You open yourself up to potential issues resulting from that. Lastly, so we dont get to far away from the core point here, Arthars used his Parser with his live stream to purposefully shame and attack someone. This wasnt an accidently "F that guy" comment out of frustration. He made a deliberate act to single someone out and do it live to his viewers. ToS is clear about parsing, but they look elsewhere unless you make it an issue. And he made it an issue but wanted to be cute about it. I dont give him any credit because I dont think he was stupid about this. He purposefully didnt say it in game but did on his live stream as a means to try and bypass the rules.
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    Last edited by Melichoir; 12-19-2019 at 08:12 AM.

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