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    It's obvious that parsers are okay to them, but I'm wondering where their line is for "going too far" in terms of third party programs, because things like ACT can be set up to automate callouts for mechanics based on debuffs (IE, it can call out positionings for both Limit Cuts in TEA based on what number you get), other add-ons can automatically set up markers based on what mechanics are happening, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    It's obvious that parsers are okay to them, but I'm wondering where their line is for "going too far" in terms of third party programs, because things like ACT can be set up to automate callouts for mechanics based on debuffs (IE, it can call out positionings for both Limit Cuts in TEA based on what number you get), other add-ons can automatically set up markers based on what mechanics are happening, etc.
    The only things against the ToS that officially get a pass are parsing and some graphical mods. While they don't go after trigger use, they can at anytime they want.

    Quote Originally Posted by VenKitsune View Post
    What?! Avoid detection? From what?
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    What basis does SE have that proves said non in-game evidence actually came from the accused party, and not someone acting under an assumed name? How can SE know that evidence may or may not be doctored?
    Quote Originally Posted by VenKitsune View Post
    I really want to hear SE justify this, and their basis for how they KNEW the evidence was legit - How did they know the twitch streamer was actually the player and not just a "reaction video/stream", and how did they know how to link those social media accounts of the data miners to the SE accounts?
    You know how everyone is aware that GMs can access chat logs and it's regularly suggested to not give them any proof if you're doing something you shouldn't? Like that, but for whatever method SE is using to verify the "third-party" info.

    Quote Originally Posted by VenKitsune View Post
    Right now, it seems like saying a single swear word accidentally or not is a grounds for a ban, but we have no idea because SE isnt transparent enough. How is not knowing if cursing is a bannable offense "avoiding detection"?
    Profanity is not allowed:
    User Agreement
    "3.3 Profanity and Offensive Language. You may not use profanity or any language that a reasonable person would find offensive. The Game is for players aged 13 and older. You agree to behave accordingly."

    There have been several cases on here and Reddit of players being suspended for it.

    If you're talking about streaming, you'd have to ask a GM about that. I don't know why you would be concerned with that when there has been one case and it involved actions that affected another player.

    If you want to know if something is allowed, you can attempt to contact a GM to get an official answer. Start to file a report like you would for harassment and ask your question there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vnolan View Post

    Profanity is not allowed:
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    "3.3 Profanity and Offensive Language. You may not use profanity or any language that a reasonable person would find offensive. The Game is for players aged 13 and older. You agree to behave accordingly."

    There have been several cases on here and Reddit of players being suspended for it.

    If you're talking about streaming, you'd have to ask a GM about that. I don't know why you would be concerned with that when there has been one case and it involved actions that affected another player.

    If you want to know if something is allowed, you can attempt to contact a GM to get an official answer. Start to file a report like you would for harassment and ask your question there.
    That's the thing though - Words and language that others might find offensive is such a nebulous thing. To one person, saying "Darn" could be offensive to them, and as i said in an earlier post, some people even get offended by a simple "good morning" - They need to be clearer to what "Offensive language" is - There needs to be a certain level of maturity from players, sure, but when someone can get suspended or banned or even contacted by a GM in the first place for saying "Damnit"...Then thats when the rules need to be clearer.
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    2.0 Veteran from 2013. Just looking to be helpful. DRK is Love, DRK is life.

    (Ignore the levels on my character card, the tool i used to make it hasn't been updated for 4.0)

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenKitsune View Post
    That's the thing though - Words and language that others might find offensive is such a nebulous thing. To one person, saying "Darn" could be offensive to them, and as i said in an earlier post, some people even get offended by a simple "good morning" - They need to be clearer to what "Offensive language" is - There needs to be a certain level of maturity from players, sure, but when someone can get suspended or banned or even contacted by a GM in the first place for saying "Damnit"...Then thats when the rules need to be clearer.
    It specifically says :REASONABLE PERSON:


    any language that a reasonable person would find offensive.

    A reasonable person will not find darn or good morning offensive.
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