Recent Developments of TOS Actions Taken

[Vnolan]

A question out of this discussion: has SE ever actually said "we won't accept third-party evidence in any situation" or is that just what people have derived from "we can't accept this video as evidence because we can't verify it"?

The STF report form for third-party programs has a field to input a URL. They've never said they won't accept third-party evidence in any form and they never will, as that would tell everyone they could sell anything for real money as long as they direct to a discord. The current crop of clear sellers and Twitch art streams may be aware they can do this, but they're a very small minority.

Any instances of SE saying they can't accept outside evidence have come from GMs. The STF doesn't respond to the community.

[Ryaz]

Just remember, everyone, theres a huge difference between a Reddit post, Discord post or screenshot and a VERIFIED live stream.

SE still won't go after the former because they're easily faked and doctored. A verified Twitch stream is not.

Here's a decent video on it:

https://youtu.be/XMFxejKXWqM

[TaleraRistain]

Have you all heard the story from Yoshi-P about why he doesn't like parsers and won't implement them in game? It's because someone was getting trashed over their dps on a stream. They don't like cyber bullying, guys. And they take it seriously. Don't be a douche in a public forum and you won't have an issue.

[monk-dps]

Have you all heard the story from Yoshi-P about why he doesn't like parsers and won't implement them in game? It's because someone was getting trashed over their dps on a stream. They don't like cyber bullying, guys. And they take it seriously. Don't be a douche in a public forum and you won't have an issue.

While your point is good I think, I think you got it abit wrong. The person wasn't banned for any meter he had, not at all. THe meter has no part to play in this at all. The only thing the meter should be brought up on is the fact the player's name wasn't blocked out. This isn't about a dps meter. This is about being named and shamed on a website that is showing his info to a very large group of people. This and only this is the reason why said streamer was banned. Lets not bring the meter into this as the meter talk is getting people off track majorly.

[Axxion]

I think its more about him public shaming the blm on stream then the actual parcer itself. From what I've been hearing that the BLM started things with him , in which provoked his response in that matter.

Not saying that it was an okay to do so.

[KageTokage]

I think its more about him public shaming the blm on stream then the actual parcer itself. From what I've been hearing that the BLM started things with him , in which provoked his response in that matter.

Not saying that it was an okay to do so.

I think the moral of the story is "Don't let a jerk provoke you into being a bigger jerk so they can report you".

[LalaRu]

the point of this post is not to defend the actions of the streamer, but rather criticising SE's inconsistency, how that affects us as the players and questioning why there is still zero action being taken against RMT.

If this "inconsistency" is what makes people being punished for their very bad behavior, I welcome it.

The "they punished A but not B" argument is silly from the start. If a robber didn't got caught, it doesn't give you license for robbing too and then complain if you got caught and punished.

[QT_Melon]

If this "inconsistency" is what makes people being punished for their very bad behavior, I welcome it.

The "they punished A but not B" argument is silly from the start. If a robber didn't got caught, it doesn't give you license for robbing too and then complain if you got caught and punished.

I'm actually confused by what people are saying is inconsistent though.

1. The person punished was a verified streamer. It isn't some rando they found berating someone with the names visible.

2. They don't ban RMT on videos. Uhh didn't you guys remember that there were several Poser accounts trying to sell Gill using FFXIV's name?

3. They haven't banned before (that you know of)./This is the first ban they've done regarding off site behavior - See 1. and 2.

4. I've seen some guy selling RMT in PF. Report them? Please remember RMT means REAL MONEY TRANSACTIONS. Some guy selling gil clears for Ultimate actually doesn't fall in this category unless you are living in a real life economy that Gil is actual currency.

So at this time, it's basically not a slippery slope argument. If you're monetizing off FFXIV, take some care for how you engage your players. Also players, that goes for those who feel in their right to harass a host. You hate Mr Happy, Xenos Athars that's great, don't do it in stream or with a verified account. I think SE has to feel to take things more seriously, I mean a guy in their country blew up an animation studio because...reasons. They were already in a rough position with people screaming about dataminers and accusing and harassing people who first cleared The Ultimate Alexander.

(should note, not saying I disagree or was presenting an argument against you - just supporting it).

[KageTokage]

4. I've seen some guy selling RMT in PF. Report them? Please remember RMT means REAL MONEY TRANSACTIONS. Some guy selling gil clears for Ultimate actually doesn't fall in this category unless you are living in a real life economy that Gil is actual currency.

People pretty much never sell clears for gil with how easily it's obtained.

The reason they conduct transactions outside of the game is specifically because real money is involved, though it's unlikely SE can actually do anything about them because they won't leave any information on Discord that proves without doubt that the contact is the same person with the ad listed in PF and they won't reveal who the ones doing the clears are until a transaction is actually made.

[QT_Melon]

People pretty much never sell clears for gil with how easily it's obtained.

The reason they conduct transactions outside of the game is specifically because real money is involved, though it's unlikely SE can actually do anything about them because they won't leave any information on Discord that proves without doubt that the contact is the same person with the ad listed in PF and they won't reveal who the ones doing the clears are until a transaction is actually made.

Okay so this again falls back to point one of my post you're quoting from. VERIFIED TWITCH account is the key here.