Monk

[Vackashken]

Sure, who need buffers in a game ?
Or a tank
Or an healer <_< all this classes exist so dd can do their job. Saying you don't want to rely on an another class it's..shortsighted

Are you brain dead or just deliberately being thick? A DD who is not a mage should not need constant MP supply from another source. Mages and Tanks are different because they aren't a dime a dozen while we can be replaced for less "hands on care" class by several other DD types.

The shortsightedness is based on a DD needing a MP supplier when so many others don't. Sorry, no I don't want to be passed up instantly because I am higher maintenance if a brd isn't around.

[NoctisUmbra]

Horse puckey.

And saying "besides we will have brd" is ridiculous. I do not wish to rely on another class to be optimized.

These are Jobs we are referring to. The point is to rely on others.

[Vackashken]

These are Jobs we are referring to. The point is to rely on others.

.......... uh huh

[silverdragontyr]

Considering Yoshi said Jobs are made for party play, and having a job that literally every party will have assist is not that big a deal. Furthermore if your complaining you can't manage MP, or that you suck when you don't have MP, well then you are just a bad Pgl/Mnk sorry. It's not that hard to watch your MP, and Pgl does good damage even without MP, that's just an added effect. So whine all you want, but if you don't like it find a new class then.

[Vackashken]

Considering Yoshi said Jobs are made for party play, and having a job that literally every party will have assist is not that big a deal. Furthermore if your complaining you can't manage MP, or that you suck when you don't have MP, well then you are just a bad Pgl/Mnk sorry. It's not that hard to watch your MP, and Pgl does good damage even without MP, that's just an added effect. So whine all you want, but if you don't like it find a new class then.

......... uh huh.

I can't your asinine post serious either. Talk about talking out your arse.

[NoctisUmbra]

.......... uh huh

......... uh huh.

I can't your asinine post serious either. Talk about talking out your arse.

After those 2 posts I wouldn't expect anyone to really take you seriously Vack. I mean it's fine to not be aware of a design purpose, or simply not know something - but to behave as if you know what you're talking about while you clearly don't just comes off as ignorant, and perhaps slightly amusing even lol.

I like how I talk about MNK, a job, being supported by BRD in party play - being that jobs are being designed primarily for Full Party scenarios - and your response is:

I do not wish to rely on another class to be optimized.

I rest my case.

[Vackashken]

Are you having trouble keeping up with me or something? Reading comprehension not your thing? Listen, you can try and cut it anyway you want - or come up with some ridiculous presumption of "blah blah blah, you don't know what you're talking about" crap but it doesn't change my point.

Pug/Mnk will need a brd more then any other making instantly weaker (in the selection process of making a party) more so then any other DD job. There are no BS ornamental words, retarded diatribe or what I am sure you think it witty retorts that will change that. Nothing you say can or will change that. It is a crutch in comparison to other DD jobs.

Feel free to puke up some more of your bloviating if you want though. I love a good work of laughable fiction.

[Evaddaragon]

While I understand that Vack's attitude is questionable, I do not think there's any official word about the exact design function of a job.

While it's true that Yohsi-P himself mentionned something of the sort, it would be wise to be reminded that it was in interviews that predated even the LIVE letters, and patch 1.20. At that moment, the job system was still, and I emphasize it : "under development". Which, with due respects to another's opinion, means that it can change.

Therefore, while your opinion is phrased in a much better way, Noctis, it isn't anything more than speculation and conjecture at the moment, be it as well-thought as it is.

As for you Vack, you may not wish to rely on another class to be optimized, but it would be wise that you remember that this is a MMORPG, which stands for Massively MULTIPLAYER Online Role-Playing Game. You'll never be as powerful on your own as you are with people. Sure enough, a feature that I like so far with FFXIV is that while there are things that require party play to be done, quite a fair bit of it is also done solo. However, even the solo content gets much easier with people. As the game itself says when you get a full party, there is "Strength in Numbers".

[Vackashken]

As for you Vack, you may not wish to rely on another class to be optimized, but it would be wise that you remember that this is a MMORPG, which stands for Massively MULTIPLAYER Online Role-Playing Game.

Do you have another epiphany loaded in the chamber like "you need to eat food when you're hungry" you'd like to lay on me?

Just bustin your chops.

Anyway, that doesn't change my point in the slightest. Of course you need other jobs to play the game. However, pug/mnk will need a brd around FAR more then any other (DD) instantly making it weaker and lower on the totem pole of selection process.

[Evaddaragon]

Do you have another epiphany loaded in the chamber like "you need to eat food when you're hungry" you'd like to lay on me?

Actually, I do. "The only way to cure a fool is to let him die."

I digress, though. Got nothing personal against you at all. To phrase yourself : "Just bustin your chops."

In all seriousness though, I was under the impression that the Fists of Fire enhancement were actually a noticeable improvement in damage. So let's put it another way : If you could always use it, wouldn't you actually be, you know, over-powered ? Balance is about being equal or as close as possible, after all, right ?