5.x General PvP and Feast Feedback Thread

[Nalien]

I have see plenty of times guys complains about these rewards, for the moogle event for exemple. You can argue, but without garo of these moogle tomes you din't see the big difference ?

Events/rewards aimed at getting people into PvP needs to stop TBH. SE should instead focus on events that get people to actually play PvP.

Mog Tomes was literally no difference between a win and an loss, saw plenty just there for the tomes putting in no-to-little effort. Garo was slightly better, but the achievements you needed wins for you could still ultimately just roll the dice enough times to clear them. Same goes for literally all the achievements in PvP, only difference playing well makes to earning any of them is time, 1% win rate or 100% win rate, everyone will still get them eventually.

We need events/achievements that actually focus on playing PvP, rather than just participation rewards, which really is every single PvP reward right now. Same sort of thing applies to the recent Frontlines changes IMO; SE removed 24 player and limited people to 4 player premades because "premades were too powerful", but why handle it like that? That's not really doing anything to improve PvP, it's just an attempt to make participation easier with no focus on actually getting people to play properly. Why not instead encourage more people to form premades? Like how hard would it really be to add a new queue option for Frontlines, that puts you in the same queue as everyone else, but you're limited to a 4 player premade with members of your PvP Team? Wins/Kills/Assists/whatever earned while queuing in that mode go towards achievements/event rewards for the whole group, since that nicely circumvents the whole issue of role disparity with regards to such things (so say you're a healer, you still get the kills from the DPS you queued with). Done. Now you've given PvP Teams an actual purpose outside a once a year Feast event. You've effectively limited premades to 4 players without forcing the issue. You've got a set of achievements/events that can work off actually engaging with PvP properly. You've encouraged people to actually go into PvP with a group rather than just queuing solo and not coordinating.

But no, we'll get another Mog Tomes event soon, and people can literally sit in the corner of Seal Rock eating dirt and still reap all the rewards. Good job, SE. To be honest though, I'd even be fine with that if they at least worked it so there is always demand for PvP as a result of such events. Ending Garo without a replacement hasn't worked out too well, and the new PvP gear was so easy to obtain that it really didn't keep people queuing for long at all... How about raising that Wolf Marks currency cap so new gear can actually take more than a week to earn? Don't even need to do that to be honest, having tokens (like for tomestone weapons) can circumvent any currency cap easily. Still not really fixing the issue with PvP rewards, but eh... Keeping people PvPing for new items for two weeks is an improvement on them only Pvping for one week.

[Sinstrel]

This forum is really not providing any useful feedback/ information compares to other forum. There is no progressive discussion over anything; merely push-pull between people that complains and people that disagree.

This is why the developers only look at the JPN forums, haha. Everything looks so organized and constructive.

[Shinklet]

This is why the developers only look at the JPN forums, haha. Everything looks so organized and constructive.

Sympathies to the community manager that has to go through their 700 page thread arguing about frontlines.

So like the western thread but over a hundred times worse.

[Sigvarr_Ulfbeard]

This is why the developers only look at the JPN forums, haha. Everything looks so organized and constructive.

Do you mean the forums as a whole or just this thread? I agree it’s a pain trying to get everyone to just put things into one thread but they choose to make small threads about it instead.

[Commander_Justitia]

Their 700 page thread was starting in 2014, so they don't start new topics like we do when we feel our favorite class got nerfed too hard.
They make more use of the upvote system of the forums, it is not uncommon to see random posts have like 30-80 upvotes. I don't think it is hard to get feedback opinions there, they post a bit less.

Anyway, they seem highly in favor to make past rewards obtainable for top100 voucher too. Maybe that will be the next change. xD

[Divinemights]

Sympathies to the community manager that has to go through their 700 page thread arguing about frontlines.

So like the western thread but over a hundred times worse.

Unfortunately, that is where you are wrong.
The common issue for NA forum is that people only read OP, then read first few comments on first page and last page then just jump into the wagon.
It is so easy to derailed a discussion thread on NA forum; especially you already seeing quite few one-linear here and there on this forum.
The voice that really matters should be form those who actually read the tread, understand both side's arguments then gives own personal thought.
This makes up the real progressive discussion and this is what we don't see on this forum.
I don't feels sorry for the community manager, it is their job.
It is our problem that we never gives in-depth discussion; for example, that Ninja OP thread.
There is no context of why OP believed why Ninja is OP but merely few screenshots of Ninjas with the damage output (in which can be achieve by any one)
No one is going to be able to extract useful information from that type of thread

[Sigvarr_Ulfbeard]

Suggestion from Lace Valeria:

Potions in concept are great, but in actual application are pretty terrible, often registering after incoming damage (Recuperate and conventional healing spells often registered before). SE should really look into the delay between use and effect of potions.

[Sigvarr_Ulfbeard]

Their 700 page thread was starting in 2014, so they don't start new topics like we do when we feel our favorite class got nerfed too hard.
They make more use of the upvote system of the forums, it is not uncommon to see random posts have like 30-80 upvotes. I don't think it is hard to get feedback opinions there, they post a bit less.

Been trying to tell people this but I still see random threads post up mostly being topics mentioned here.

[Crit]

Why is there a massive mentality and mechanical gap between the regions when it comes to skill in this PvP specifically? SE let's do something about it!

[testname]

Been trying to tell people this but I still see random threads post up mostly being topics mentioned here.

anyway People day one thing in those topics- SE flips tables does other things

It's like that for everything, SE never listened, for example DRK big topic in SB still we received other DRK same with Healers