Dancer Flourish is badly designed and not actually enjoyable to use

[JanVanding]

no role will ever be perfectly balanced

you balance the ranged role from the top (so samurai right now) and take say 3% from that. at this point the weakest class would still be 5-6% short of the top even if the role in itself gets closer together (so a good ~800 dps) which would end up in a situation where (lets just say the relative strength within the group stays as is) bard would be where mch is now, which generally is seen as the "strongest of the most definitely still pretty weak" group, so way better than now, but still not a position a class should be in, whereas mch would allready reach the point where the people that now argue no one would ever take a second melee if theres any chance would cry about mch making ninja obsolete because on one out of 4 fights mch actually deals 20 dps more than nin on the 95% percentile.

if you generally agree they need to be taxed on a level where even on a heavy movement fight they lose out to melees than at least part of that role will allways end up at a level that is in fact very much underpowered, yet this notion was bought forward more than once, and (again, taking the whole picture, i.e. this thread into account) as you not once disagreed with that side but only picked apart any tiniest detail of people saying the role is too weak in general even if you agreed they are too weak as is than this is something which i at least would say is something to argue about, after all the whole idea of a forum aside from collecting and sharing ideas is to actually exchange arguments. So yes, i very much argue that even if its just bard that falls short it indeed is a role issue that makes this happen.

>Tax for movement being ranged

> Fights no longer have Windows of melee dps stopping and they have similar, decent mobility

>optimal strats are all uptime strats where movement is minimal

>claims were taxed for our kits, when classes with better support skills aren't taxed as highly

Are you absolutely sure youre a DNC player because the more I read from you the more Im like.... Nobody can be that blind to the performance gaps.. Nobody can be that deliberately ignorant about DNC damage being broken down into phases (Burst/Waiting/Building, you didn't want to hear me out, you just assumed I was doing it wrong so I let you go with it, I parsed 65 percentile at i453 so ya know.. )

Nobody can believe the power budget we have is remotely correct. I'm beginning to think you arent a DNC at all.

[Akiudo]

>Tax for movement being ranged

> Fights no longer have Windows of melee dps stopping and they have similar, decent mobility

>optimal strats are all uptime strats where movement is minimal

>claims were taxed for our kits, when classes with better support skills aren't taxed as highly

Are you absolutely sure youre a DNC player because the more I read from you the more Im like.... Nobody can be that blind to the performance gaps.. Nobody can be that deliberately ignorant about DNC damage being broken down into phases (Burst/Waiting/Building, you didn't want to hear me out, you just assumed I was doing it wrong so I let you go with it, I parsed 65 percentile at i453 so ya know.. )

Nobody can believe the power budget we have is remotely correct. I'm beginning to think you arent a DNC at all.

while i in fact are no dancer what was argued here in my case was ranged dps as a whole, also i have to somewhat doubt your reading comprehension here.

I'll admit i tend to go around things somewhat convuluted but what i stated here was literally (taking my whole argument aswell as not ignoring who i quoted) IF you do what you quoted me on you cant tax them in the way currently done because no matter how you do it they will allways at the very best end up at the edge of "one small missstep and at least part of the role risks becoming obsolete, doesn't matter if its bard/dancer or machinist. , also i wasn't the one saying you did anything wrong ?