Au Ra scale options?

[Omymy]

Ugh... Lizards.

[SturmChurro]

Adding Viera benefits only people who switch to Viera, and they were perfectly happy on other races prior to their addition. (and doesn't even benefit them given how unhappy many seem with the final product)

Viera/hrothgar being a "final product" is an absolute joke. They would need a complete overhaul to even be the equivalent of any other race in the game. I would love if they added new options for "ALL" races, but they don't. They leave out viera/hrothgar. They have yet to even preview the supposed "new race specific hair" for viera. They don't even add anything viera/hrothgar specific for that matter I don't even know why you would post this.

[Nalien]

They don't even add anything viera/hrothgar specific for that matter I don't even know why you would post this.

I feel like your response proved my point perfectly, to be honest. As an addition, Viera/Hrothgar hasn't even pleased many of the people who actually wanted the races, so was it worth adding them? As I said, I'd rather have had more options for all races instead, since that benefits every player instead of just a portion who prefer the new race, and not hairstyle/hat options if that's what you think I mean (since you mentioned Viera/Hrothgar being left out, when arguably they have better character customization options than other races, I mean your ears aren't tied to your face, that's a huge step up vs Au Ra already...), I mean exactly the sort of thing I gave examples of pertaining to Au Ra, given that's the subject of this topic. Having more character creation options like that, for every previous race, would have been much more welcome than the fairly divisive addition of two incomplete races, IMO.

[SturmChurro]

I feel like your response proved my point perfectly, to be honest. As an addition, Viera/Hrothgar hasn't even pleased many of the people who actually wanted the races, so was it worth adding them? As I said, I'd rather have had more options for all races instead, since that benefits every player instead of just a portion who prefer the new race, and not hairstyle/hat options if that's what you think I mean (since you mentioned Viera/Hrothgar being left out, when arguably they have better character customization options than other races, I mean your ears aren't tied to your face, that's a huge step up vs Au Ra already...), I mean exactly the sort of thing I gave examples of pertaining to Au Ra, given that's the subject of this topic. Having more character creation options like that, for every previous race, would have been much more welcome than the fairly divisive addition of two incomplete races, IMO.

What point? And you shouldn't be using the word "all" when you actually mean everything NOT viera/hrothgar. You realize that these "supremely" customizable ears are the reason, or rather SE's excuse for NOT including the majority of ALL headgear in the game? While an Au Ra has horn tied to face they can wear whatever headgear is in the game, and continues to have support for all new hairstyles as well. Just in the most recent patch everyone BUT hrothgar/viera got that butch hair.

Why should anyone be pleased with the disgrace the half-baked inclusion of viera/hrothgar was. It was lazy and underdeveloped. They didn't even meet the equivalent of the addition of Au Ra - even with limited scale options.

[Nalien]

What point? And you shouldn't be using the word "all" when you actually mean everything NOT viera/hrothgar.

...Really?

You realize I'm using "all" and excluding Viera and Hrothgar because I'm talking about a hypothetical addition prior to the addition of Viera/Hrothgar, right? As in, exactly what I said;

I'd rather have had new options for all existing races to expand character creation options, than had new races completely.

If I need to simplify that, then let me put it like this; Instead of adding Viera and Hrothgar at all, I'd rather that effort and work had gone into improving the character creation options for the existing races. No where am I saying don't work on options for Viera/Hrothgar, I'm simply stating my opinion; That I'd rather have seen the existing six races improved upon, instead of adding two more to the mix, more so given the two new races they did add to the mix have been fairly divisive additions that have clearly upset a lot of people. Obviously I'm not going to talk about Viera/Hrothgar getting anything in that scenario, because in that scenario they never existed to begin with.

You realize that these "supremely" customizable ears are the reason, or rather SE's excuse for NOT including the majority of ALL headgear in the game? While an Au Ra has horn tied to face they can wear whatever headgear is in the game, and continues to have support for all new hairstyles as well. Just in the most recent patch everyone BUT hrothgar/viera got that butch hair.

And do you realize that most of the options people want for a race like Au Ra wouldn't cause the same issues Viera have? Like take their horns, they are tied to the face because of PS3 limitations (which is gone now, by the way), letting us pick those independently isn't going to cause any extra issues as far as Viera type issues go, because all those horn options already work with existing hairstyles and headgear. Adjusting the hue of scales? That's literally just effectively an additional skin tone option. Certainly not going to cause any issues like Hrothgar having vastly different head structure. Same with letting us customize the density and spread of scales, that's not going to cause any of the sorts of issues that something like the two new races have created, which is exactly why I'd rather have seen more options like that rolled out across all races, than see the addition of new races. It's less work to give existing races new options than it is to remodel every single piece of gear for two new races, and to model every new piece of gear for an additional two races. It's something which potentially benefits every single player since every single player is already playing the existing races, and thus could make use of those new options. In my opinion it's just a better thing to work on than added whole new races.

Why should anyone be pleased with the disgrace the half-baked inclusion of viera/hrothgar was. It was lazy and underdeveloped.

To reiterate, I'm not saying anyone should be. I'm saying because the addition of Viera/Hrothgar was a half-baked mess, it would have been better to never implement them in the first place; To instead focus those development resources on expanding options for all races. That would have benefited 100% of the playerbase, instead of leaving the 11% playing Viera bitterly disappointed.

You act like I am opposed to new options for au ra when au ra is my other favorite race.

No, I'm acting like you're not reading what I'm saying, because you apparently aren't. You're talking to me as though I'm saying "Don't give Viera/Hrothgar new options", when I'm repeatably saying "They shouldn't have added them to begin with if this was the best they could do, putting those development resources into improving all races would have been a better use of their time and money". You can take that as "Screw Viera/Hrothgar" if you like, but it's not what I'm saying. If you want my opinion on the current state of things, then here it is; They've added them, so they not only should work on them, but have to IMO. I do, however, think that it's ultimately a poor use of the developers time and resources, because as I've said, that time and effort could have gone into all the previously existing six races instead, or other projects entirely, I actually imagine a large part of why we see so many reskinned pieces of gear lately is largely because the modelers are stretched thin as a result of having two extra body types to model all gear around, using pre-existing sets they've already done that work for is therefor a simple corner to cut. However, they have added them, and that's that. Now they need to finish them. I simply wish they hadn't added them in the first place.

I'm really not sure how much clearer I can make my point, so I'm just going to stop bothering.

[SturmChurro]

You act like I am opposed to new options for au ra when au ra is my other favorite race. This isn't 2018 if you are going to use the word all don't talk like it is. All races now means all, viera/hrothgar included. It's as if I am replying to someone a year ago. They are in the game now. Further excluding options for viera/hrothgar now just means they are becoming, more, and more limited. SE should have actually thought about this, now that they are in they should be thinking about the players of these races - and including them with further additions that all races should get.

Any addition added to viera/hrothgar is just for making them more up to par with the pre-shadowbringers races. An addition to them wouldn't be an exclusion for the other races.

To reiterate, I'm not saying anyone should be. I'm saying because the addition of Viera/Hrothgar was a half-baked mess, it would have been better to never implement them in the first place; To instead focus those development resources on expanding options for all races. That would have benefited 100% of the playerbase, instead of leaving the 11% playing Viera bitterly disappointed.

I agree that they shouldn't have added these races. Rather, they shouldn't have added them until they were more "complete", especially hrothgar. I said as much months ago, probably the last time I switched off of viera. It works out for them with me, I switch between Viera/Au Ra/Miqo'te continuously when I am actually playing the game. I'll probably be miqo'te next week, even if I have a preference for viera.

To them it seems these races are gimmicks, and they don't care about them. If people don't like it their fantasia sales go up, at least one for switching, and one for going back. They really don't care. Viera/hrothgar were just there as a pretty thing for the billboards and advertisements, a nice little addition on paper for the expansion.

No, I'm acting like you're not reading what I'm saying, because you apparently aren't. You're talking to me as though I'm saying "Don't give Viera/Hrothgar new options", when I'm repeatably saying "They shouldn't have added them to begin with if this was the best they could do, putting those development resources into improving all races would have been a better use of their time and money". You can take that as "Screw Viera/Hrothgar" if you like, but it's not what I'm saying. If you want my opinion on the current state of things, then here it is; They've added them, so they not only should work on them, but have to IMO. I do, however, think that it's ultimately a poor use of the developers time and resources, because as I've said, that time and effort could have gone into all the previously existing six races instead, or other projects entirely, I actually imagine a large part of why we see so many reskinned pieces of gear lately is largely because the modelers are stretched thin as a result of having two extra body types to model all gear around, using pre-existing sets they've already done that work for is therefor a simple corner to cut.

I'm really not sure how much clearer I can make my point, so I'm just going to stop bothering.

This makes me laugh. Do you REALLY believe SE of all companies would have added more options for the other races by excluding the addition of viera/hrothgar? If you do you are kidding yourself. They would have found something else to waste their resources on. They won't even do stubble because of "limitations". This would NOT have happened, I am just saying. It really wouldn't. It would be the exact same excuse for the au ra options, "limitations".

[Tlamila]

I so agree on the fact that the scales look too fake! They look more like skin armor implants or something. That makes me kinda sad.
For example, today I was changing my Au'ra's hairstyle, and I was unecided between one that shows the neck scales and one that doesn't But they look so fake that I decided to hide them in the end. They seem more an afterthought.

[NessaWyvern]

Adding Viera benefits only people who switch to Viera, and they were perfectly happy on other races prior to their addition. (and doesn't even benefit them given how unhappy many seem with the final product)

Hey, Viera ended my fantasia addiction, so it has benefitted me :P Viera have also lowered the population of Miqo'te, so there's another plus.

[EtherRose]

The CC is kinda scarce in this game, yes. Instead of adding new hairstyles they should allow more options on various other things. Now........ we need one more race, Kitsune, a fox race. We have Cats, Bunnies, "Dragons", Dog/Wolf (Lupin for Hrothgar which i guess is coming soon). So adding a Fox race wouldn't hurt for a later expansion.

[Rokke]

The CC is kinda scarce in this game, yes. Instead of adding new hairstyles they should allow more options on various other things. Now........ we need one more race, Kitsune, a fox race. We have Cats, Bunnies, "Dragons", Dog/Wolf (Lupin for Hrothgar which i guess is coming soon). So adding a Fox race wouldn't hurt for a later expansion.

With the limited customization the latest batch of races got, a hypothetical fox race will have 1 face, 1 tail, and 4 hairstyles to chose from.


@ topic -
I'm still of the mind that limbal rings are a waste of customization slot that could have been used for something else on Au Ra. I would have vastly preferred to change the scale color over the limbals. Unfortunately unless they revamp the creator altogether I doubt we'll see any meaningful changes in the foreseeable future.