Thank you, Square, for listening to the majority.

[Doozer]

It was merely my opinion of the original post.

I know of a fair few people who have done no contribution to the restoration project, heard that a fate was up and would offer them 500 scrips, attempted to enter the instance and couldn't. They then jumped on the bandwagon and started to accuse world visitors of blocking them from doing the FATE which, in my opinion, they had no divine right to be able to do over another player, regardless of their home world or not.

When someone says they'd been at work all day and presumably slept, it is safe to assume that they hadn't contributed for over 15 hours, if at all as there was no indication of this in the original post (they have since felt the need to clarify).

I empathise with the OP, because my world had done the first fate before I'd finished work, the 2nd was at 1:48am so no chance for me and we haven't hit the 3rd because well, no wanderers to help us progress :')

So you're saying some rando that's greedy and wants to take part in everyone's FATEs (like the ones I saw visit Diabolos, which were like "hey guys when's the next one") are somehow more entitled to a world's FATE than someone who actually plays on that world, just because said person was at work for most of the day? So when that person gets home, you're saying they don't get to complain when a bunch of jobless people are clogging up their world because they weren't playing enough? Hello?

[Alucard135]

So you're saying some rando that's greedy and wants to take part in everyone's FATEs (like the ones I saw visit Diabolos, which were like "hey guys when's the next one") are somehow more entitled to a world's FATE than someone who actually plays on that world, just because said person was at work for most of the day? So when that person gets home, you're saying they don't get to complain when a bunch of jobless people are clogging up their world because they weren't playing enough? Hello?

It goes the other way around too. A jobless person could clog up the instance in their own world by parking there waiting for the FATE, while the other person who happened to miss the FATE because it got congested from AFK people or because they were at work that time have no other chance of doing it anymore. Even some people who were busy with their jobs would park their characters in the instance out of fear of getting locked when the FATE timer draws near. So was it really world visit to blame? or the design of one instance with a capacity of 300-350 with rewards that everyone wants?

[Doozer]

So was it really world visit to blame?

Yes. Because it's the world visit system that allowed people from other worlds to clog up the instance. What lets people from other worlds do that? Literally only world visit. Only world visit lets people from other worlds fill up an instance. If you take out world visit, people from other worlds can't do that. Therefore, duh.

[Alucard135]

Yes. Because it's the world visit system that allowed people from other worlds to clog up the instance. What lets people from other worlds do that? Literally only world visit. Only world visit lets people from other worlds fill up an instance. If you take out world visit, people from other worlds can't do that. Therefore, duh.

But what would prevent people from the world itself from clogging it by AFKing inside when the FATE is near? Take the FATE rewards out, would your world still get clogged by the world visit system? of course not. Can you explain why it wouldn't get clogged in this case despite world visiting being available? Come on, you can do it lol.

[Archaell]

The congestion is based on traffic. The world travel makes the traffic worse, because 1 person can block fe. 5 other people from participating. When we block the world travel, the congestion gets less severe, because 1 person takes onle 1 slot so more people can enjoy the content.

[Awha]

So you're saying some rando that's greedy and wants to take part in everyone's FATEs (like the ones I saw visit Diabolos, which were like "hey guys when's the next one") are somehow more entitled to a world's FATE than someone who actually plays on that world, just because said person was at work for most of the day? So when that person gets home, you're saying they don't get to complain when a bunch of jobless people are clogging up their world because they weren't playing enough? Hello?

Personally I think commitments outside the game are just that outside of the game, and those who are actively playing the game should be the primary focus and concern.As someone who works and also has class I did not get to take part in the fates, but that is on me and I did not expect / nor desire SE to hamper server progression for smaller servers because people with outside commitments were unable to take part.

End of the day world visit was not the problem as someone else mentioned the system as a whole was flawed from the start.

[John_Milter]

Personally I think commitments outside the game are just that outside of the game, and those who are actively playing the game should be the primary focus and concern.As someone who works and also has class I did not get to take part in the fates, but that is on me and I did not expect / nor desire SE to hamper server progression for smaller servers because people with outside commitments were unable to take part.

End of the day world visit was not the problem as someone else mentioned the system as a whole was flawed from the start.

World visit added on to the problems. The problems was tht the instances are too small, limit world visit cut down maybe 800 ppl trying to get into the fate on a world to 500. didn't solve the problem but sure did help

[Ultimatecalibur]

World visit added on to the problems. The problems was tht the instances are too small, limit world visit cut down maybe 800 ppl trying to get into the fate on a world to 500. didn't solve the problem but sure did help

I think 500 locals trying to get in was only on the biggest servers. The smaller servers seemed to have 300 or below players.

[JowyAtreides]

So you're saying some rando that's greedy and wants to take part in everyone's FATEs (like the ones I saw visit Diabolos, which were like "hey guys when's the next one") are somehow more entitled to a world's FATE than someone who actually plays on that world, just because said person was at work for most of the day? So when that person gets home, you're saying they don't get to complain when a bunch of jobless people are clogging up their world because they weren't playing enough? Hello?

I'm not the one assuming that world visitors haven't contributed.
At no point have I suggested that visitors are more entitled, I am actually quashing the voices of the people who feel they are entitled because they are inhabitants which is what a lot of people have issue with. I am saying that everyone's time is equal to one another's and that the problem was not the visitors but the poorly thought out execution.

This content reminds me of a game I used to play where the world boss would spawn at 11am every day. It dropped the best weapons and because I was working, I never got a chance to participate in the fight. I hated the game for this and I feel the same way about Ishgard Restoration. I'm just trying to detract animosity away from each other and getting people to focus on the fact that global progression content is horrible for this game.

You also can't assume they weren't helping either so you can't really have anything to say. If you read the forums more, you might of noticed the hundreds of voice's being known about this issue. I read the forums and I see screenshots of people being toxic about hoarding the fates on other servers, pretty upsetting to see that from this community. I'm glad they fixed it, now you can stay on your server and help your server do the project and let each server handle it's own and let them have their own fates. Cheers

I can safely assume that as the OP had been at work, they hadn't contributed for, on average, at least 8 hours and maybe even more considering they probably slept before work. Who's to say that visitors hadn't contributed in that 8-14 hours prior to the OP coming home from work? This entire thread and concept is about assumptions. It was assumed that a bulk of visitors are coming to be scrip/exp vultures, it was assumed they didn't help.

I daresay in nearly 300 posts, I've seen a considerable amount of the forums. I think I also said on this thread that hundreds is not a majority, but it is, of course, still a lot.

Also, to clarify, because I don't know if I have, I've personally never even used the world visit function, either before or after Ishgard Restoration so there is no salt from me about the change and in actual fact, my world is behind all others in progress :P

and to further reiterate my point about it not being the main problem...

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ent-not-enough