Thank you, Square, for listening to the majority.

[JowyAtreides]

I, personally grew tired of not being able to enter my own firmament hours before a FATE spawned, more or less after I got home from work, only to be heckled by such visitors. They were not helping out, as they like to put it.

So by your own admission (due to working), you were also not helping and feel that you are more entitled to getting into the FATE moreso than people who may (or may not) have helped due to simply being an inhabitant on that world?

Smells like double standards to me to be quite honest.

Also, do you have a quantifiable stat when claiming the majority of players were being listened to? I certainly wasn't asked

That being said, I'm glad they changed it, even if it means my server will now go mega slow (ironically because the visitors are no longer there to help)

[Chaseless]

So by your own admission (due to working), you were also not helping and feel that you are more entitled to getting into the FATE moreso than people who may (or may not) have helped due to simply being an inhabitant on that world?

Smells like double standards to me to be quite honest.

Also, do you have a quantifiable stat when claiming the majority of players were being listened to? I certainly wasn't asked

You know what they say when you make assumptions... It's pretty ignorant of you to say that I am entitled to a FATE that is tied to my home server. Yes, I have a regular job, and yes, I have put in a lot of work in synths when I am home and am able to. I have collected a ton of materials from gathering points. I don't need the EXP much anymore but rather do the collectibles for the scripts at this point, because that is all I am getting out of it.

But the point is rather asinine that I cannot get into my own firmament because out of the 200 people within the search of the Firmament, 93 of them were wanderers. So yes, it was a problem. Going off of that, almost half of the people in there were not from my home server, locking the place out 1-2 hours before hand. So when I get home and have to wait another few hours to even turn stuff in, that's an issue. Thankfully, it has been resolved.

And I don't need a stat since SE themselves sought to lock out wanderers should be more than enough proof. I am sure they didn't just do it on a whim... lets be real.

[Doozer]

So by your own admission (due to working), you were also not helping and feel that you are more entitled to getting into the FATE moreso than people who may (or may not) have helped due to simply being an inhabitant on that world?

Smells like double standards to me to be quite honest.

Y'ever just see something someone says and know they're trying to start something?

[JowyAtreides]

Y'ever just see something someone says and know they're trying to start something?

It was merely my opinion of the original post.

I know of a fair few people who have done no contribution to the restoration project, heard that a fate was up and would offer them 500 scrips, attempted to enter the instance and couldn't. They then jumped on the bandwagon and started to accuse world visitors of blocking them from doing the FATE which, in my opinion, they had no divine right to be able to do over another player, regardless of their home world or not.

When someone says they'd been at work all day and presumably slept, it is safe to assume that they hadn't contributed for over 15 hours, if at all as there was no indication of this in the original post (they have since felt the need to clarify).

I empathise with the OP, because my world had done the first fate before I'd finished work, the 2nd was at 1:48am so no chance for me and we haven't hit the 3rd because well, no wanderers to help us progress :')

[Doozer]

It was merely my opinion of the original post.

I know of a fair few people who have done no contribution to the restoration project, heard that a fate was up and would offer them 500 scrips, attempted to enter the instance and couldn't. They then jumped on the bandwagon and started to accuse world visitors of blocking them from doing the FATE which, in my opinion, they had no divine right to be able to do over another player, regardless of their home world or not.

When someone says they'd been at work all day and presumably slept, it is safe to assume that they hadn't contributed for over 15 hours, if at all as there was no indication of this in the original post (they have since felt the need to clarify).

I empathise with the OP, because my world had done the first fate before I'd finished work, the 2nd was at 1:48am so no chance for me and we haven't hit the 3rd because well, no wanderers to help us progress :')

So you're saying some rando that's greedy and wants to take part in everyone's FATEs (like the ones I saw visit Diabolos, which were like "hey guys when's the next one") are somehow more entitled to a world's FATE than someone who actually plays on that world, just because said person was at work for most of the day? So when that person gets home, you're saying they don't get to complain when a bunch of jobless people are clogging up their world because they weren't playing enough? Hello?

[Alucard135]

So you're saying some rando that's greedy and wants to take part in everyone's FATEs (like the ones I saw visit Diabolos, which were like "hey guys when's the next one") are somehow more entitled to a world's FATE than someone who actually plays on that world, just because said person was at work for most of the day? So when that person gets home, you're saying they don't get to complain when a bunch of jobless people are clogging up their world because they weren't playing enough? Hello?

It goes the other way around too. A jobless person could clog up the instance in their own world by parking there waiting for the FATE, while the other person who happened to miss the FATE because it got congested from AFK people or because they were at work that time have no other chance of doing it anymore. Even some people who were busy with their jobs would park their characters in the instance out of fear of getting locked when the FATE timer draws near. So was it really world visit to blame? or the design of one instance with a capacity of 300-350 with rewards that everyone wants?

[Doozer]

So was it really world visit to blame?

Yes. Because it's the world visit system that allowed people from other worlds to clog up the instance. What lets people from other worlds do that? Literally only world visit. Only world visit lets people from other worlds fill up an instance. If you take out world visit, people from other worlds can't do that. Therefore, duh.

[Alucard135]

Yes. Because it's the world visit system that allowed people from other worlds to clog up the instance. What lets people from other worlds do that? Literally only world visit. Only world visit lets people from other worlds fill up an instance. If you take out world visit, people from other worlds can't do that. Therefore, duh.

But what would prevent people from the world itself from clogging it by AFKing inside when the FATE is near? Take the FATE rewards out, would your world still get clogged by the world visit system? of course not. Can you explain why it wouldn't get clogged in this case despite world visiting being available? Come on, you can do it lol.

[Awha]

So you're saying some rando that's greedy and wants to take part in everyone's FATEs (like the ones I saw visit Diabolos, which were like "hey guys when's the next one") are somehow more entitled to a world's FATE than someone who actually plays on that world, just because said person was at work for most of the day? So when that person gets home, you're saying they don't get to complain when a bunch of jobless people are clogging up their world because they weren't playing enough? Hello?

Personally I think commitments outside the game are just that outside of the game, and those who are actively playing the game should be the primary focus and concern.As someone who works and also has class I did not get to take part in the fates, but that is on me and I did not expect / nor desire SE to hamper server progression for smaller servers because people with outside commitments were unable to take part.

End of the day world visit was not the problem as someone else mentioned the system as a whole was flawed from the start.

[John_Milter]

Personally I think commitments outside the game are just that outside of the game, and those who are actively playing the game should be the primary focus and concern.As someone who works and also has class I did not get to take part in the fates, but that is on me and I did not expect / nor desire SE to hamper server progression for smaller servers because people with outside commitments were unable to take part.

End of the day world visit was not the problem as someone else mentioned the system as a whole was flawed from the start.

World visit added on to the problems. The problems was tht the instances are too small, limit world visit cut down maybe 800 ppl trying to get into the fate on a world to 500. didn't solve the problem but sure did help