The Frontlines Premade issue has not been fixed.

[Moonlite]

Says who exactly? I don't know about you, but I have a great deal more than 3 other friends.



Right, so allowing 8-man groups throughout 2.x, 3.x, 4.x, and 5.0 wasn't a problem until right around when Garo was ending, then it became a problem? Big thonk.

Really it wasn't a problem during Slaughter on Aether, revisionist history much. Or during shatter on Aether either really no problem at all. It has always been a problem. Its just usually they get bored and stop queing and stuff evens out.




Also why aren't the same people so upset about this arguing for premades in solo que feast? Why because they know it would be unbalanced.


I don't think premades need to be lowered. We have a scaling reward system already it should have just been implemented for que with parties of 8 being baseline. As party gets smaller and smaller rewards increase. Which means a team of 8 most likely going to win would get as much as a single person queing. The 8 man gets their win and feel good slap on the back the solo que knows he got slapped around but got the same reward.

[Atreus]

Really it wasn't a problem during Slaughter on Aether, revisionist history much. Or during shatter on Aether either really no problem at all. It has always been a problem. Its just usually they get bored and stop queing and stuff evens out.

You're not exactly providing anything more factual in terms of the "history of Frontline". Full parties were not removed for several expansions, several updates, and several map additions. That is factual.

Also why aren't the same people so upset about this arguing for premades in solo que feast? Why because they know it would be unbalanced.

Easy. Because Feast already has several ways to play it. Solo queue ranked, light party ranked and custom games, and training mode which allows bringing a partner (which is more influential than one 8-man party in a 72-player game).

[Moonlite]

You're not exactly providing anything more factual in terms of the "history of Frontline". Full parties were not removed for several expansions, several updates, and several map additions. That is factual.



Easy. Because Feast already has several ways to play it. Solo queue ranked, light party ranked and custom games, and training mode which allows bringing a partner (which is more influential than one 8-man party in a 72-player game).

Your side is acting like premades were never a problem. I gave examples from just one data center. Because nothing was done doesn't change the fact it wasn't an issue at the time. SE isn't exactly the most active dev in this type of game play.





For your second point that sounds way better then any suggestion I have seen from either side. They should be split up like feast. Solo random teams for one que and premade teams for another. I am sure no one could argue against that.

[Atreus]

Your side is acting like premades were never a problem. I gave examples from just one data center. Because nothing was done doesn't change the fact it wasn't an issue at the time. SE isn't exactly the most active dev in this type of game play.

Buddy, what? They did take action by removing GC restrictions and forcing groups to be freelance. Everyone had a chance to be matched up with or against them unless you were masochistic enough to keep queuing into one in 24-man, which spoiler alert, are not a thing anymore.

You wanna know what real problems are? People who queue up for tomes or some reward with no desire to actually play, contribute in any way, or even learn the rules of the game. People who bot it up or throw consciously to end the game sooner. How about we solve those problems. People partied up to reduce the number of those in their instance and to battle against other premades.

Oh but by all means, tell me how the big bad premades ruined your solo queue experience.

[BubblyBoar]

It doesn't have to be a premade only mode. Just have it so that premades queueing at the same time are against each other, not sotted together because they are the same GC because that's what happens, even with freelancer on.

[Moonlite]

You're not exactly providing anything more factual in terms of the "history of Frontline". Full parties were not removed for several expansions, several updates, and several map additions. That is factual.

Buddy, what? They did take action by removing GC restrictions and forcing groups to be freelance. Everyone had a chance to be matched up with or against them unless you were masochistic enough to keep queuing into one in 24-man, which spoiler alert, are not a thing anymore.

I am slightly confused. Did you not want examples of why premades have been bad since 2.0 and why they were a problem? Because SE didn't take action then it wasn't an issue? Did I not give examples of when the great PvP community abused the garbage que system not for the love of the game but to curb stomp other teams. Some of the same people who are trying to abuse the que system again.



You have a slight misconception, premades don't actually ruin my experience. Since frontline started I just logout after seeing them a couple times. I am much more upset by the stupidity of random players. But the same way a certain percentage of the pvp population acted about feast chat being removed, like they never did anything wrong. I would much rather see "leave premades in I hate the scrubs and I want to stomp them." That I can respect, the poor victim not so much.



If SE is even semi active and puts two and two together. The people who are bypassing the idea of premades will ruin it for everyone even more. We will all be locked into freelancer random solo que or maybe duo.

[Rhais]

It doesn't have to be a premade only mode. Just have it so that premades queueing at the same time are against each other, not sotted together because they are the same GC because that's what happens, even with freelancer on.

You don't understand how premades work. There are no premades getting put together because they are on the same GC, it is a bunch of people solo queueing at the same time that are on the same GC. Premades can not circumvent freelancer.
It's just another reason eliminating 8 person premades was a bad move. People have been syncing queues for awhile to stack their GC with people from the same LS or discord or whatever. When we did the premades before we never ended up on the same GC as them, and were able to give the GC we ended up with a decent chance against people doing this.

[Moonlite]

It doesn't have to be a premade only mode. Just have it so that premades queueing at the same time are against each other, not sotted together because they are the same GC because that's what happens, even with freelancer on.

If I had to take a guess they are all queing same grand company, German(or non English language), freelancer off, in progress off, and timed. So they all get out they talk in chat for a bit and see if everyone is ready. The leader will call a time in game, they watch and all click as it hits that time. I could be wrong. But unless they made some serious updates to the party grouping system it should allow solid abuse of the current system.

[Syrehn]

You don't understand how premades work. There are no premades getting put together because they are on the same GC, it is a bunch of people solo queueing at the same time that are on the same GC. Premades can not circumvent freelancer.

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You just made my brain melt.

There are no premades getting put together because they are on the same GC, it is a bunch of people solo queueing at the same time that are on the same GC.

That is literally the definition of a premade. They're just using the GC work-around to circumvent SE's removal of 8 man party's. Except this is worse because they could potentially end up with a full 24 man alliance rofl stomping for win pads.

If I had to take a guess they are all queing same grand company, German(or non English language), freelancer off, in progress off, and timed. So they all get out they talk in chat for a bit and see if everyone is ready. The leader will call a time in game, they watch and all click as it hits that time. I could be wrong. But unless they made some serious updates to the party grouping system it should allow solid abuse of the current system.

That is exactly what they are doing and the best way to stop it is for SE to enforce Freelancer when queuing up for any FL match. Boom, problem solved. If they want to play with friends they can still go in as a 4 man groups.

[Rhais]

That is literally the definition of a premade. They're just using the GC work-around to circumvent SE's removal of 8 man party's. Except this is worse because they could potentially end up with a full 24 man alliance rofl stomping for win pads.

No it's literally not, a premade is a party formed before queueing. Anyone referring to premade parties is talking about people forming a party before queueing and then queueing as a party, hence the pre prefix, as in making the party before queueing. You can't guarantee everyone will get in the same instance or be in the same party syncing queue times, you can't preform the party that way, it's literally not the definition of premade.