[Suggestion] Trick attack cooldown scalling with Skill Speed

[Shalfu]

Meanwhile, scaling Raiton to a standard GCD, TCJ and Suiton each to a 125 or 133% GCD or so, and Fuma to a 67 or 75% GCD, and buffing Fuma to be equal or nearly equal in efficiency to Raiton given its shorter uptime cost, would allow for perfect sync; every Suiton, applied by TCJ or otherwise, could be evened out by a Fuma, so that your GCD could never put you in a position of weighing TA immediacy against uptime (which, ofc, uptime would always win, thus causing desync).

You cannot reduce those skills further down than 1.5 on their execution, and if you reduce the mudra recast, you are punishing the high ping players for no reason.

The weaving space between a Ninjutsu and a normal GCD is exactly 0.8, 0.7 would be taken by the animation of the ogcd you wanna get in between them, so its only 0.1 room for ping to take place. Reducing ninjutsu recast by sks will only enhance ping problems.
Mudras, on the other hand, have a 0.5 recast time. 0.35 animation lock. You could reduce this further down, but as it is, at the moment, is already a problem for people with 200ms, since they are clipping their gcd to queue mudras. Again, reducing the mudra recast time will enhance ping problems.

Trick attack recast time adjusted to sks will not affect high ping or lower ping.

[Shurrikhan]

You cannot reduce those skills further down than 1.5.

You can. See Meditation.

and if you reduce the mudra recast, you are punishing the high ping players for no reason.

At 20% SkS, a whopping 7k+ stat, you'd have reduced acceptable ping from its current maximum of 250 to... 200. 50 ms effect on a very small span of the playerbase, in order to allow for perfect sync for the 80+% of players at or beneath 200 ms ping.

The weaving space between a Ninjutsu and a normal GCD is exactly 0.8, 0.7 would be taken by the animation of the ogcd you wanna get in between them, so its only 0.1 room for ping to take place.

Which means it can already only support 50 ms of ping. Why then have a weave space there at all? That defeats the purpose of the whole change. Get rid of it, allowing for perfect sync, and just don't wait until Trick Attack to hit Suiton. Our Ninjutsu will always outpace our Trick Attack regardless, due to casting Suiton on pull but waiting until a later GCD to actually use it. You do NOT need to use TA immediately after Ninjutsu.

Trick attack recast time adjusted to sks will not affect high ping or lower ping.

By doing nearly nothing for either side. There are fixed GCD intervals, even given complete adherence to an optimal rotation, that currently allow for a perfectly timed Trick Attack. Scaling TA, rather than the things actually causing the desync, merely changes those intervals. Unless we are suddenly forced to stack SkS despite its low relative weight past entry gear, it's not going to add a single interval to that list, only change where they are.

[Shalfu]

You can. See Meditation.

You just read the part you wanted to read, keep reading for the reason why you cannot reduce it.

At 20% SkS, a whopping 7k+ stat, you'd have reduced acceptable ping from its current maximum of 250 to... 200. 50 ms effect on a very small span of the playerbase, in order to allow for perfect sync for the 80+% of players at or beneath 200 ms ping.

Ninja has huton effect, which is already 15% sks. Again, keep reading on the post to see why i give the reason.

Which means it can already only support 50 ms of ping. Why then have a weave space there at all? That defeats the purpose of the whole change. Get rid of it, allowing for perfect sync, and just don't wait until Trick Attack to hit Suiton

No, it supports 100ms players. Clearly you don't know what im talking about if you think we are waiting for trick to come out of cooldown to use suiton.

By doing nearly nothing for either side. There are fixed GCD intervals, even given complete adherence to an optimal rotation, that currently allow for a perfectly timed Trick Attack. Scaling TA, rather than the things actually causing the desync, merely changes those intervals. Unless we are suddenly forced to stack SkS despite its low relative weight past entry gear, it's not going to add a single interval to that list, only change where they are.

No, they arent fixed intervals when there is a fixed amount of time tied to ninjutsus and another fraction of time tied to variable gcd values.

I'm also the designer of the current ninja opener and rotation, trust me, i know a thing or two about the job.


I invite you to play ninja once, stopwatch on the Battle tab the time for your trick and compare for yourself that this last statement you made is not possible. Since it seems you haven't played it before, or atleast, since the changes had happened or without trying to perform an optimal rotation.

[Shurrikhan]

Ninja has huton effect, which is already 15% sks. Again, keep reading on the post to see why i give the reason.

SkS =/= Attack Speed. TA need not scale itself around the common GCD, only by how much that GCD will be further varied by gear.

No, it supports 100ms players.

So I thought, too, until I saw the current research on ping-based uptime loss. It's double the ping. The allowable latency is half the remaining GCD gap. Just as the fact that GCDs let us queue (and more importantly, query) .5 seconds early only allows us 250 ms of ping before penalty. Else a 500 ms ping player would still be spamming away at GCDs just as quickly as you do. ...They don't.

No, they arent fixed intervals when there is a fixed amount of time tied to ninjutsus and another fraction of time tied to variable gcd values.

Yes, they are. The only thing that would make it not so is to follow a different rotation or lost uptime. Given the same rotation, as strictly given in my statement, the intervals allowing for a perfectly time TA are fixed to the same extent any other oGCD in the game is.