So is it just me?!

[Syrehn]

The concern of decreasing pvp-pops was mentioned by the Players immediatly after the Liveletter. Sadly they kept it this way. The only thing we can do is giving continuous feedback and hope they change that back so we can have 24 again.

I mean there's also the fact that when regular or new players continue to get rolled over by the premade Discord goon squads, that are now circumventing the removal of 8 man groups by converting to the same GC and then 1,2,3 queuing to be able to steamroll less skilled or coordinated players and stack wins, that will eventually cause a decline in player engagement as well - thus affecting queue times. It's pretty craptastic when objectives can be ignored and you spend match after match getting rofl stomped.

So time of day is a factor, which is compounded with the removal of 24's, but then additionally people are starting to avoid Frontlines altogether right now because of the GC queue workaround. :/

[Kisama]

I mean there's also the fact that when regular or new players continue to get rolled over by the premade Discord goon squads

Have you considered joining them? You know that's an option, right? A much better one than posting on the official forums that Square doesn't even read.

[Syrehn]

Have you considered joining them? You know that's an option, right?

No, I haven't because *SHOCKER* it's not fun to completely smash another team to pad win rates. Which let's not get it twisted, is EXACTLY the reason they're doing it. If they wanted healthy premade vs premade PVP the bulk of them wouldn't be on 1 GC sync queuing.

There are times when I (either solo or with a few friends) do end up on the premade alliances through sheer RNG and it's not FUN; at least not to me.

Being part of an alliance that is obliterating an enemy team by steam rolling/spawn camping/etc. while ignoring the majority of the match objectives leaves me feeling like I need to shower the scum off myself.

It's not fun participating on those winning teams and I'm sure it's definitely not fun for the opposing alliances who just get rofl stomped either.

#EnforceFreelancer

[Kisama]

No, I haven't because *SHOCKER* it's not fun to completely smash another team to pad win rates.

Well, thankfully there is plenty other content that you can be queueing for. If you don't find PvP fun then don't queue it, probably.

[Syrehn]

If you don't find PvP fun then don't queue it, probably.

Yeah, because that's clearly what I said. LOL

[BloodRubyXII]

Well, thankfully there is plenty other content that you can be queueing for. If you don't find PvP fun then don't queue it, probably.

Anyone who actually enjoyed queueing 8man to farm over and over again with literally no challenge is very strange to me. Because I know I didn't, the banter in chat/discord and achievements were the only reason I cared to do it. On the other hand LP is one of the most fun activities in the game to me. Then again it's also the same people who rarely come anywhere near a ranked mode and disappear after 100 games because steamrolling in FL premades inflates their ego so much they can't cope when the time comes where they're against people that'll actually fight back.



But hey, by the way you percieved Syrehn's post I guess I don't find PvP fun and should stop queueing it because it isn't fun to win literally uncontested in a game mode that isn't even considered competitive!

[Kisama]

No, I haven't because *SHOCKER* it's not fun to completely smash another team

Sounds to me like PvP isn't the content for you.

Anyone who actually enjoyed queueing 8man to farm over and over again with literally no challenge is very strange to me.

It sounds like maybe you've had a bad experience or two and have based your opinion around that. The only times that there were no challenge would be 24 man secure matches. There is always some challenge in Seal Rock or Shatter (small ice version) thanks to RNG. That isn't a thing anymore. 8 people cannot carry in a 72 person match. There are also very few people that I know of that can stand more than 5 matches of that at a time.

But hey, by the way you percieved Syrehn's post I guess I don't find PvP fun and should stop queueing it because it isn't fun to win literally uncontested in a game mode that isn't even considered competitive!

Does this game have a competitive mode that I don't know about? PvP has been such a bad joke for the last 3 years that I assumed all modes were casual now.

[BloodRubyXII]

Sounds to me like PvP isn't the content for you.





It sounds like maybe you've had a bad experience or two and have based your opinion around that. The only times that there were no challenge would be 24 man secure matches. There is always some challenge in Seal Rock or Shatter (small ice version) thanks to RNG. That isn't a thing anymore. 8 people cannot carry in a 72 person match. There are also very few people that I know of that can stand more than 5 matches of that at a time.



Does this game have a competitive mode that I don't know about? PvP has been such a bad joke for the last 3 years that I assumed all modes were casual now.

Last 3 years? PvP has always been a meme. The people that are delusional that 3.x PvP was like this holy grail usually weren't very good at that either. Fortunately, enjoyment seems to be subjective, something that is apparently a foreign concept to you. And yes, if it has a ranked ladder with seasonal rewards and is the only activity in this game that gets any kind of LAN coverage by Square, it's competitive. Whether you agree with that or not isn't relevant.

[Guesswhat]

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There is next to zero challenge steamrolling the other teams with a 8players premade, and it's at least part of the reason people do it. But actual PvP in PvP is part of the objective. The objective is to score points. The fastest way to score points if you have the superior team is to steamroll the other teams.