Not Happy With The New Changes

[EphPhoen]

Clearly you've never had a gathering chance at 99% only to fail it five times in a row.

Reported percentages in this game aren't great measures of success rate. I expect anything below 100% to have at least a 10% chance of failure, and that's a lot higher than you're giving it credit for.

But hey, it's your money... waste away.

Uh...you just quoted me where I SAID 10%. Wtf, dude. Also, yes, yes I have. I've had the quality with a supposedly 2% chance of not coming out hq and it fail. Multiple times. I know the score. XD

[Ryaz]

I will say that with such low chances of success, Hasty Touch, Rapid Synthesis, and Patient Touch are effectively useless as far as I am concerned.

I will not use skills with such a huge chance of failure. If SE intends those skills to be the only way to accomplish high end HQ crafting, it will effectively push me out of the crafting scene. With that said, that might not be SE's intention. They may simply expect that proc based skills like Tricks of the Trade, Focused Touch and Focused Synthesis play a bigger role in high end HQ crafting and thus limit how much impact macros can be used for such.

But as they are, 50% or 60% chance skills are dead on arrival in my opinion.

Agreed. I don't really see myself using those three skills.

As for the changes, I haven't had any issues with them. The harder crafts do require you to pay attention a bit if you're not uber melded with like 550 cp (I'm only at 518), but I succeeded at crafting 3 pieces of the new HQ crafting gear so far, getting easier with each piece, of course. The third piece was easy enough that I probably could have almost finished it without Intensive Synth and Precise Synth procs. The easier stuff will still be macroable without issue.

And Trained Eye is a godsend for saving time on lower level stuff or customer deliveries.

[Maeka]

Whew.

I think it's finally time to call it a night.

I will have to say though, that I've had the most fun today than I've ever had in FFXIV for a long, long time. I was on.... wow. I logged on at 9AM to hurry up and get the pixie tribe quests before the reset.. took a brief respite to do daily WoW stuff for like half an hour, got back on FFXIV and... I logged off briefly to take a 2 hour nap and got back on, so... hmm. I'd say... 9AM-11PM, minus 3 hours-ish. That's like 11 hours.

I never play FFXIV for 11 hours in one day lol.

I had a blast! It was awesome, and most of it was crafting and gathering.

[Ryaz]

Whew.

I think it's finally time to call it a night.

I will have to say though, that I've had the most fun today than I've ever had in FFXIV for a long, long time. I was on.... wow. I logged on at 9AM to hurry up and get the pixie tribe quests before the reset.. took a brief respite to do daily WoW stuff for like half an hour, got back on FFXIV and... I logged off briefly to take a 2 hour nap and got back on, so... hmm. I'd say... 9AM-11PM, minus 3 hours-ish. That's like 11 hours.

I never play FFXIV for 11 hours in one day lol.

I had a blast! It was awesome, and most of it was crafting and gathering.

Yeah, I had a great day myself. Got the exact mansion I wanted to move to (Mist plot 45... those sunsets and that view), best the raid, did my beast tribes, the MSQ and got 3 of 6 piece on the new HQ crafting gear made.

Tomorrow it's new ex-primal, collectible turn ins so I can finish crafting the rest of my crafter/gatherer sets, and decorating the new place.

[Maeka]

Yeah, I had a great day myself. Got the exact mansion I wanted to move to (Mist plot 45... those sunsets and that view), best the raid, did my beast tribes, the MSQ and got 3 of 6 piece on the new HQ crafting gear made.

Tomorrow it's new ex-primal, collectible turn ins so I can finish crafting the rest of my crafter/gatherer sets, and decorating the new place.

Yeah, all of my DoH was 70 this morning.

Got on, bought myself a full set of 71 clothes, and used a crapton of Levequests (I had 100 sitting on me) to get each class up to 71. Then I bought a few HQ tools and made the rest (I had a stockpile of deepgold on me from trying to get miner up a few levels a few weeks ago).

All said and done, 4 of my DoH classes are 72, BSM is more than halfway to 75 (!!!), I made myself HQ Bluespirit tools for BSM, MIN, and BTN, and all the other classes except FSH have Lv71 HQ tools. FSH had a scrip weapon that appears to be better than the Lv71 HQ Rod so I didn't have to make that.

So ... I'm all decked out. now I just need to get WVR, CRP and LTW to 74 so I can make the Lv74 suit of clothes for both DoH and DoL then I'll be fully decked out again.

Seeing Bluespirit Ore go from 75% success chance to 95% success chance because I made some tools myself was such an awesome feeling. No more getting ripped off at the MB at 200k+ per tool anymore.

EDIT: Oh, and I made a bunch of Lv70 weapons for some DoW classes that are close to getting to that point.

[Maero]

Ty Liam for posting your macro
I have not tried crafting yet since patch since i went straight to unlock and do Nier and Pixies tribe

[apophis13]

I had a wonderful day, also. I logged on, realized that crafting doesn't function anymore, then logged off of FF14 and played SPGs instead, after cancelling my account and my wife's account. So, there's $50 a month that SE no longer has to make payroll and pay for electricity to run the server room AC, and, obviously, to pay dividends to Shareholders. And, SE doesn't get that money back until they make pre-80 Crafting function again. At any rate, devs don't generally show up and destroy already-released SPGs The wife and I are watching scary movies today, but we might play some Borderlands 2 later.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

I've adjusted to the changes and have no real complaints of significance right now. I don't know if that will change with Ishgard crafting or future tiers of crafting but right now it's business as usual. I can guarantee HQ the toughest things (for now) and that's all that matters to me. We'll see what happens in the future.

[Nashred]

So anyway I have not read this entire thread. I logged on last night just to do main but looked at my crafter and the amount of skills gone from my hotbar was crazy..

I have not done any crafting but a friend was telling me a little about it and was not happy.

Steady hand gone? Does that mean crafting is more about RNG again?

Everytime SE tries to make things harder they add RNG and their RNG stinks.

I have not tried crafting but I hope this aint true.

Crafting and main story is the only reason I still play and I hope they did not mess up crafting.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

So anyway I have not read this entire thread. I logged on last night just to do main but looked at my crafter and the amount of skills gone from my hotbar was crazy..

I have not done any crafting but a friend was telling me a little about it and was not happy.

Steady hand gone? Does that mean crafting is more about RNG again?

Everytime SE tries to make things harder they add RNG and their RNG stinks.

I have not tried crafting but I hope this aint true.

Crafting and main story is the only reason I still play and I hope they did not mess up crafting.

Steady Hand is no longer necessary for the most part. The only skills that are basically boned without it now are Hasty Touch, Rapid Synthesis, and Patient Touch. For the time being, these skills are entirely unnecessary to use for max level crafting so the lack of Steady Hand has zero impact. All other skills that had lower than 100% of success have been changed to have 100% chance of success outside of Focused Touch and Focused Synthesis which require Observe to be used prior for 100% success (exactly how they worked last xpac).

Basically once you get your action bars sorted you'll have to figure out new rotations (or find them on the forums or elsewhere). But once you have your new rotations figured out, it should be business as usual as far as HQ crafting goes. RNG is entirely circumventable just as it was prior to 5.1. This may change in the future, but I don't believe it will change beyond requiring us to take advantage of good/excellent procs intelligently.