Not Happy With The New Changes

[Maeka]

Whew.

I think it's finally time to call it a night.

I will have to say though, that I've had the most fun today than I've ever had in FFXIV for a long, long time. I was on.... wow. I logged on at 9AM to hurry up and get the pixie tribe quests before the reset.. took a brief respite to do daily WoW stuff for like half an hour, got back on FFXIV and... I logged off briefly to take a 2 hour nap and got back on, so... hmm. I'd say... 9AM-11PM, minus 3 hours-ish. That's like 11 hours.

I never play FFXIV for 11 hours in one day lol.

I had a blast! It was awesome, and most of it was crafting and gathering.

[Ryaz]

Whew.

I think it's finally time to call it a night.

I will have to say though, that I've had the most fun today than I've ever had in FFXIV for a long, long time. I was on.... wow. I logged on at 9AM to hurry up and get the pixie tribe quests before the reset.. took a brief respite to do daily WoW stuff for like half an hour, got back on FFXIV and... I logged off briefly to take a 2 hour nap and got back on, so... hmm. I'd say... 9AM-11PM, minus 3 hours-ish. That's like 11 hours.

I never play FFXIV for 11 hours in one day lol.

I had a blast! It was awesome, and most of it was crafting and gathering.

Yeah, I had a great day myself. Got the exact mansion I wanted to move to (Mist plot 45... those sunsets and that view), best the raid, did my beast tribes, the MSQ and got 3 of 6 piece on the new HQ crafting gear made.

Tomorrow it's new ex-primal, collectible turn ins so I can finish crafting the rest of my crafter/gatherer sets, and decorating the new place.

[Maeka]

Yeah, I had a great day myself. Got the exact mansion I wanted to move to (Mist plot 45... those sunsets and that view), best the raid, did my beast tribes, the MSQ and got 3 of 6 piece on the new HQ crafting gear made.

Tomorrow it's new ex-primal, collectible turn ins so I can finish crafting the rest of my crafter/gatherer sets, and decorating the new place.

Yeah, all of my DoH was 70 this morning.

Got on, bought myself a full set of 71 clothes, and used a crapton of Levequests (I had 100 sitting on me) to get each class up to 71. Then I bought a few HQ tools and made the rest (I had a stockpile of deepgold on me from trying to get miner up a few levels a few weeks ago).

All said and done, 4 of my DoH classes are 72, BSM is more than halfway to 75 (!!!), I made myself HQ Bluespirit tools for BSM, MIN, and BTN, and all the other classes except FSH have Lv71 HQ tools. FSH had a scrip weapon that appears to be better than the Lv71 HQ Rod so I didn't have to make that.

So ... I'm all decked out. now I just need to get WVR, CRP and LTW to 74 so I can make the Lv74 suit of clothes for both DoH and DoL then I'll be fully decked out again.

Seeing Bluespirit Ore go from 75% success chance to 95% success chance because I made some tools myself was such an awesome feeling. No more getting ripped off at the MB at 200k+ per tool anymore.

EDIT: Oh, and I made a bunch of Lv70 weapons for some DoW classes that are close to getting to that point.

[apophis13]

I had a wonderful day, also. I logged on, realized that crafting doesn't function anymore, then logged off of FF14 and played SPGs instead, after cancelling my account and my wife's account. So, there's $50 a month that SE no longer has to make payroll and pay for electricity to run the server room AC, and, obviously, to pay dividends to Shareholders. And, SE doesn't get that money back until they make pre-80 Crafting function again. At any rate, devs don't generally show up and destroy already-released SPGs The wife and I are watching scary movies today, but we might play some Borderlands 2 later.

[Maero]

Ty Liam for posting your macro
I have not tried crafting yet since patch since i went straight to unlock and do Nier and Pixies tribe

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

I've adjusted to the changes and have no real complaints of significance right now. I don't know if that will change with Ishgard crafting or future tiers of crafting but right now it's business as usual. I can guarantee HQ the toughest things (for now) and that's all that matters to me. We'll see what happens in the future.

[Nashred]

So anyway I have not read this entire thread. I logged on last night just to do main but looked at my crafter and the amount of skills gone from my hotbar was crazy..

I have not done any crafting but a friend was telling me a little about it and was not happy.

Steady hand gone? Does that mean crafting is more about RNG again?

Everytime SE tries to make things harder they add RNG and their RNG stinks.

I have not tried crafting but I hope this aint true.

Crafting and main story is the only reason I still play and I hope they did not mess up crafting.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

So anyway I have not read this entire thread. I logged on last night just to do main but looked at my crafter and the amount of skills gone from my hotbar was crazy..

I have not done any crafting but a friend was telling me a little about it and was not happy.

Steady hand gone? Does that mean crafting is more about RNG again?

Everytime SE tries to make things harder they add RNG and their RNG stinks.

I have not tried crafting but I hope this aint true.

Crafting and main story is the only reason I still play and I hope they did not mess up crafting.

Steady Hand is no longer necessary for the most part. The only skills that are basically boned without it now are Hasty Touch, Rapid Synthesis, and Patient Touch. For the time being, these skills are entirely unnecessary to use for max level crafting so the lack of Steady Hand has zero impact. All other skills that had lower than 100% of success have been changed to have 100% chance of success outside of Focused Touch and Focused Synthesis which require Observe to be used prior for 100% success (exactly how they worked last xpac).

Basically once you get your action bars sorted you'll have to figure out new rotations (or find them on the forums or elsewhere). But once you have your new rotations figured out, it should be business as usual as far as HQ crafting goes. RNG is entirely circumventable just as it was prior to 5.1. This may change in the future, but I don't believe it will change beyond requiring us to take advantage of good/excellent procs intelligently.

[Nashred]

Steady Hand is no longer necessary for the most part. The only skills that are basically boned without it now are Hasty Touch, Rapid Synthesis, and Patient Touch. For the time being, these skills are entirely unnecessary to use for max level crafting so the lack of Steady Hand has zero impact. All other skills that had lower than 100% of success have been changed to have 100% chance of success outside of Focused Touch and Focused Synthesis which require Observe to be used prior for 100% success (exactly how they worked last xpac).

Basically once you get your action bars sorted you'll have to figure out new rotations (or find them on the forums or elsewhere). But once you have your new rotations figured out, it should be business as usual as far as HQ crafting goes. RNG is basically circumventable. This may change in the future, but I don't believe it will change beyond requiring us to take advantage of good/excellent procs intelligently.

So they basically up the success rates of some of them.
Sounds like they made crafting easier which it did not need to be either.
I mean I crafted to 80 with level 70 gear which means it was already to easy.

I also noticed the specialist actions gone?
I always used initial preparations and reflect.
I did not see them..

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

So they basically up the success rates of some of them.
Sounds like they made crafting easier which it did not need to be either.
I mean I crafted to 80 with level 70 gear which means it was already to easy.

I also noticed the specialist actions gone?
I always used initial preparations and reflect.
I did not see them..

They didn't exactly make it easier to craft endgame really. At least it doesn't feel any easier (or harder) than it did before.

If anything changed it's that they made it easier to level a crafter and the elimination of cross-class skills allows those who only wish to focus on a single crafting job to be as effective at making stuff as someone who is an omni-crafter with all jobs maxed. Obviously non omni's are going to have to rely on other crafters for certain materials, but they aren't incapable of making the same crafts at the same degree of ease as an omni-crafter since cross class is no long a thing.

As for Steady Hand, you basically had 100% with most skills once you had Steady Hand. It basically became a "must have" skill and you didn't use certain skills without it if you had a choice. Case in point, Hasty Touch, Rapid Synthesis, and Patient Touch won't be used by anyone now except out of desperation with the removal of Steady Hand. The only real difference the removal of Steady Hand really makes is a) less steps required and b) less cp spent to make a craft. With that said, we also lost Comfort Zone so whatever gains we might see in cp from no longer needing to use Steady Hand are not going to be as impactful since we no longer gain CP from Comfort Zone.

As for specialist actions... well there's only one now: Careful Observation. This works just like Observation except it costs 0 CP and it suspends your buffs during its use so you don't lose any steps. It can only be used 3 times per craft and it has a reagent cost. The benefits to this are a) you can use it to skip a "poor" state after an "excellent" without wasting any buffs like Great Strides, and b) you can use it to fish for "good"/"excellent" procs to either pump up a Byregots to ensure HQ, or get CP with Tricks of the Trade at a critical juncture.

Reflect is now a skill every crafter has and it has changed slightly. It applies the Inner Quiet buff AND 3 stacks now but can only be used on the first step. So now you have to choose between Reflect, Muscle Memory, or Trained Eye as your opener.

Ultimately, now that I have my new rotations down, crafting feels the same as it did prior to 5.1... for now at least. Things may feel different when the Ishgard crafting content becomes available and/or new tiers of crafts become available.

While not directed at you specifically Nashred, in case it wasn't already apparent to everyone, "skill based" crafting is not possible in FFXIV. Once someone has the requisite stats, has figured out the ideal rotation, and that info spreads, that's it, crafting is figured out. I'd say its more accurate to call FFXIV "Gear and Information Based" crafting, as the more informed you are, and the better your gear is, the easier crafting will be for you. RNG does not make crafting "skill based" and in the case where it isn't possible to guarantee a HQ result, its more of a "persistence based" crafting system as those who are willing to keep at it through multiple failures to get that one successful HQ will rise above those that won't stick it out. So far we are still in the realm of being able to guarantee HQ... in many cases without needing any HQ mats if our stats are high enough.