Anyone else concerned by the extremely low skill ceiling?

[HyoMinPark]

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When has clearing anything by the higher-end player taken longer than a month? Gordias Savage being gear gated. The Coil of Bahamut Turn 5. Hell, clearing PotD solo took longer than the savages and ultimates.

Midas took 2 weeks and UCoB 13 days. Even if it’s not a month, that’s better than 18 hours (all of 4.0’s raids) and 14 hours (Eden). I’d say Gordias is a very poor example given how it was poorly tested and blatantly overtuned—as admitted by the developers—and its my understanding that T5 was bugged to all heck when it dropped. Not belittling any accomplishments here, but is it fair to compare tiers like Midas to two that had other confounding factors to them?

I also don’t hear people questioning the accomplishments of soloing PotD—especially considering there’s currently a thread complaining about an individual selling Floor 200 runs—so I don’t know what point you’re actually trying to make there. Savage, as it stands now, is a shadow of what it used to be. There’s no denying that. I’d personally prefer it if the tiers lasted longer than half a day.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Midas took 2 weeks and UCoB 13 days. Even if it’s not a month, that’s better than 18 hours (all of 4.0’s raids) and 14 hours (Eden). I’d say Gordias is a very poor example given how it was poorly tested and blatantly overtuned—as admitted by the developers—and its my understanding that T5 was bugged to all heck when it dropped. Not belittling any accomplishments here, but is it fair to compare tiers like Midas to two that had other confounding factors to them?

I also don’t hear people questioning the accomplishments of soloing PotD—especially considering there’s currently a thread complaining about an individual selling Floor 200 runs—so I don’t know what point you’re actually trying to make there. Savage, as it stands now, is a shadow of what it used to be. There’s no denying that. I’d personally prefer it if the tiers lasted longer than half a day.

The reset of cool downs definitely had a large impact on this.

You may look at it and see a lot of cool downs with lowish recast times, but I remember having to wait upwards of 5 minutes in coil on bahamut cuz of a wipe just after hallowed use. I had a very strict CD rotation back then, and it forced us to wait the duration until it would be up when I needed it.

During prog, this can happen a lot. When the need to wait goes away, you progress wayyy faster.

You can get way more pulls when you aren't waiting for cool downs, especially when said cool down has a longer recast than 3 pulls when you are learning a fight (can you imagine waiting for cds after wiping in e4s early? The hardest parts of that fight happen less than 3 mins in from what I've seen so far.)