Increase apartments

[Kenky]

If someone who has a house is upset that Apartments are improved and perceive them as better, they have the option of purchasing an Apartment.

But the issue is that, even if Apartments were indeed bigger than houses. They wouldn't be perceived as "better".

People seem to have some worrying fascination with the gardens, even when plenty of people do nothing with them.

[Jojoya]

But the issue is that, even if Apartments were indeed bigger than houses. They wouldn't be perceived as "better".

People seem to have some worrying fascination with the gardens, even when plenty of people do nothing with them.

So if apartments still wouldn't be better, why fight against giving players the option of having larger apartments? All they would have would be more interior space to decorate, which is better for them, while you would still have your "better than large apartment" house.

[Kenky]

So if apartments still wouldn't be better, why fight against giving players the option of having larger apartments? All they would have would be more interior space to decorate, which is better for them, while you would still have your "better than large apartment" house.

I already answered this in a previous post, but I suppose I'll do it here again.

Having an Apartment be bigger than a small would be a questionable move, as it could de-value the small housing. Not a guarantee, but a suspected outcome, given how much weight people have about housing in general. Always wanting a large house and a garden to show off their stuff, even when people don't visit said stuff in the first place.

We're always going to have an issue of people demanding things change to suit them. Plenty of people on this very forum have threatened to drop their sub or cause serious harm to themselves, should housing not change to suit their personal needs and desires. With that in mind, any change could come with drastic consequences and kickback, just because of how "entitled" the newer playerbase thinks of themselves.

And if you get offended by being called "entitled", then you probably have bigger issues to deal with..

[Elladie]

Because if they could be upgraded to equivalence with a house, with access to features tied to houses - gardening, workshop - then I suspect few people would bother with houses. I know I would switch simply because it would mean I could drop my subscription once in a while if I wanted. As it currently stands, I subscribe regardless of how much I'm playing because I don't want to lose my house by mistake.

I kinda think the devs would be reluctant to abandon all the time and resources put into the houses in the wards which is what upgradeable apartments would probably lead to. Of course that's just imo

Edit: this was meant to reply to Hyomin's question about apartments needing to be demolished, on the previous page, but I neglected to hit reply. I am a very bad person!

[Brynne]

Whoa, people are really against improving apartments? I'm surprised.

Right now, housing could stand to be less in demand, and apartments could stand to be more in demand, so I think SOME sort of improvement to apartments is in order. Personally, I'm in favor of decoupling the features - gardening, workshops - from houses in general, because locking content behind a limited-quantity luxury item doesn't sit right with me. And I think purchasable upgrades to apartments would be a nice feature, as well as a decent gil sink (say you start with the current apartment size and you can upgrade to a small house size for the price of a small house, etc, plus a cost for a small garden area and so on). The fact that you can have both an apartment AND a house and the fact that there are definitely people who enjoy the ward system, would be enough to ensure that the wards are filled while everyone can enjoy all the benefits of housing as long as they save up enough gil.

[Jojoya]

Because if they could be upgraded to equivalence with a house, with access to features tied to houses - gardening, workshop - then I suspect few people would bother with houses. I know I would switch simply because it would mean I could drop my subscription once in a while if I wanted. As it currently stands, I subscribe regardless of how much I'm playing because I don't want to lose my house by mistake.

I kinda think the devs would be reluctant to abandon all the time and resources put into the houses in the wards which is what upgradeable apartments would probably lead to. Of course that's just imo

Edit: this was meant to reply to Hyomin's question about apartments needing to be demolished, on the previous page, but I neglected to hit reply. I am a very bad person!

Wards wouldn't be abandoned since FCs can't own apartments and so would still need a house, especially if the FC wants to run a workshop. Giving individual players a good reason to give up their house would make it easier for FCs to get one.

Apartments would also lack a normal outdoor area to decorate (or they would stop being apartments) and the ability to see people passing by, something that would still make owning a ward plot more interesting to some players. That doesn't preclude the possibility of upgraded apartments having a scenic balcony but it would likely be limited to interior furnishings or a very small number of outdoor furnishings.

Players already have the ability to garden in their apartments using flower pots. They can't intercross but few house owners bother with it since it requires daily maintenance. Someone who only has an apartment can always ask to be a tenant at a house where the garden isn't being used. I used the garden at a friend's house for months when all I had was an apartment.

[Jandor]

If apartment upgrades were made just as expensive as small houses, I'm not seeing the issue.

I'd pay small house money to give an apartment the same floor space as a small.

My preferred "large" apartment layout.

First upgrade gives you that floor space inside, second upgrade adds the door to the garden balcony area.

Inside is the same floor space as a small, but with the layout reversed and tilted.

Small instanced garden for plants and stuff.

"In-lore" the garden would be on a balcony at the back of the apartment building, to provide an excuse for why you can't see the ward it's built in.

All this is assuming it's fixed of course, ideally it would be nice if you could place the entrance, exit and stairs wherever you wanted.

[BigBossCL]

I already answered this in a previous post, but I suppose I'll do it here again.

Having an Apartment be bigger than a small would be a questionable move, as it could de-value the small housing. Not a guarantee, but a suspected outcome, given how much weight people have about housing in general. Always wanting a large house and a garden to show off their stuff, even when people don't visit said stuff in the first place.

We're always going to have an issue of people demanding things change to suit them. Plenty of people on this very forum have threatened to drop their sub or cause serious harm to themselves, should housing not change to suit their personal needs and desires. With that in mind, any change could come with drastic consequences and kickback, just because of how "entitled" the newer playerbase thinks of themselves.

And if you get offended by being called "entitled", then you probably have bigger issues to deal with..

This doesn't make any sense. You're contradicting yourself here.

"Apartments wouldn't be more popular than housing"
"Apartments will be more popular than small housing"

If anything its a choice. If someone wants to go with a smaller house, and possibly transfer to a bigger one in the future, they can. They can put stuff in a yard, and see their neighbors. Thats part of the allure. If someone just wants a larger interior, they can get one with a larger apartment. If anything larger apartments might open up more plots for people who don't care about having a yard, etc. so that people who DO could purchase those small plots, and begin working their way up.

Its a choice between "house, apartment, larger apartment"

As it is right now its "have an apartment and like it"

[Big_Bap]

If apartment upgrades were made just as expensive as small houses, I'm not seeing the issue.

I'd pay small house money to give an apartment the same floor space as a small.

My preferred "large" apartment layout.

First upgrade gives you that floor space inside, second upgrade adds the door to the garden balcony area.

Inside is the same floor space as a small, but with the layout reversed and tilted.

Small instanced garden for plants and stuff.

"In-lore" the garden would be on a balcony at the back of the apartment building, to provide an excuse for why you can't see the ward it's built in.

All this is assuming it's fixed of course, ideally it would be nice if you could place the entrance, exit and stairs wherever you wanted.

Because apartments are permanent? It's not difficult to see why people would get upset...

[Kenky]

This doesn't make any sense. You're contradicting yourself here.

"Apartments wouldn't be more popular than housing"
"Apartments will be more popular than small housing"

If anything its a choice. If someone wants to go with a smaller house, and possibly transfer to a bigger one in the future, they can. They can put stuff in a yard, and see their neighbors. Thats part of the allure. If someone just wants a larger interior, they can get one with a larger apartment. If anything larger apartments might open up more plots for people who don't care about having a yard, etc. so that people who DO could purchase those small plots, and begin working their way up.

Its a choice between "house, apartment, larger apartment"

As it is right now its "have an apartment and like it"

But it's not a contradiction?

As they stand, Apartments wouldn't be any more popular than housing, no matter what. Purely because of reasons I've already stated. They could be much larger than large Houses, but people will still complain purely for the sake of doing so. They could have a legit reason of hating Apartments getting preferential treatment (like many house owners may do, if apartments just get everything a house gets, minus the camping. I know that'd piss a lot of people off.) especially when housing is meant to be superior to apartments.

That superiority, of course. Comes with its own drawbacks. Such as the demo-timer. I still stand by my point that, if Apartments did indeed become genuinely even when compared to housing, then apartments should have to deal with the same ruleset the housing does. Otherwise, it will completely burn most (not all) desire to have a house.

Why own a Large House if a Large Apartment offers you the exact same, without the demo-timer?
For bragging rights? Nobody goes to the wards anyways, so that 'brag' is worthless.

It would cause more issues than it solves, as people would divert their hatred for apartments towards personal-house owners, because "Why own a house, when an apartment is better? You're just being a dick to FCs" being the assumed general reasoning.

(Not saying this would happen in any capacity. But given people on this forums, I am inclined to assume something similar to this would occur. People aren't happy, no matter what changes come. There'll always be someone pissed off it isn't what THEY want.)