FFXIV/WOW cross over event?

[MonsutaMan]

This crossover thing is good business. How did I end up finally playing FFXIV after friends pushed me?

http://www.bumped.org/psublog/final-...ams-into-pso2/

Collabs are occurring more frequently in MMOs in general. I would play Marvel Heroes in hope that they would add Capcom characters or something in a crossover event lol (Never happened). PSO2 did one with FFXIV (That got me into FFXIV).

It would be cool if we had a limited time event were a job like BST could earn the ability to summon Zinogre or something like that. Or use one of the WoW creatures.

I always thought WoW's tamer class was a million times better than FFXI's, because they could tame hydras and T-Rex. We had Rabbits, frogs, and Slugs......WoW's BST could tame pretty much the entire ecosystem. FFXI's couldn't tame over half of them if memory serves......

Eh, sorry for getting off the tracks, I tend to do that........To the the OP, more crossovers would be awesome.

[Makeda]

Probably because Wow is the only serious competitor of FFXIV.

The recent console wars do not really involve Nintendo, because they don't target the same audience. And if you look at really old console wars, it was Sega Vs Nintendo, even though other consoles existed at that time.

Elder Scrolls Online is about on the same pace as FFXIV in terms of numbers, but I don't think ESO has much of if any Asia presence.

WoW - it depends on how big the Chinese population is and whether or not they are counted. They should be counted, but if they are, then the real #1 MMO is Lineage, by about a factor of 10x bigger than WoW.

Globally speaking - everyone is actually competing with Lineage. But since Lineage has such a tiny western presence English language forums often forget about it. If it's available in Japan (I know it's in China and Korea) then it is definitely FFXIV's main competition and would then by a big factor in why SE engages with the western audience so much (we provide them some 'buffer' against the influence of Lineage).

The reason we see all these weird Korean pay-to-win mobile MMOs that seem to all have the exact same art-style and gameplay is Lineage. They're all trying to peel off players who grew up playing Lineage to something either more modern or more accessible during a subway ride to/from work in Seoul or Beijing... And then they get ported over here and we lack the reference so just wonder 'lolwut?'


Back on topic:
The only reason I would be against a WoW crossover is that I feel WoW has been headed the wrong way for a while now... But otherwise I'd love to see it. Don't play Diablo as it's not an MMO so can't speak to that.

I think FFXIV has more to gain from it than WoW does. The more western players FFXIV has the less whoever pays the bills at SE will want to inject lineage-themes into this. Thank goodness FFXIV is growing or that'd be the game's fate. But I think WoW looks at FFXIV players are sees a lot of it's former subs... a crossover just might cost them more subs.


I would actually prefer an Elder Scrolls or Guild Wars crossover - those are cases where I think both games in the partnership would get boosts.

[Eli85]

If you want to explain that, we can discuss it. If you're just gonna keep that condescending tone, I'm just gonna shrug and walk away. I don't find them to be any more alike than any given pair of MMOs, and WoW wasn't the first, so giving them credit for that is factually incorrect.

Explanation: play XIV without blinders on. There is nothing to explain. It's like saying the sky is blue or grass is green, and then someone argues against it. It's just nonsensical to take your position.

It has some WoW influences, sure, but even WoW was influenced by other games that came before and after. So I wouldn't really call FF XIV a carbon copy of anything since even its WoW influences were ideas largely thought up before its existence or even WoW's. WoW is what made the MMORPG genre what it is today though for the most part since they improved upon them, but it is as I said...not all of its features or ideas were unique. MMOs learn from each other and that is how we got here. Lately, however, I feel that WoW could and should be influenced by FF XIV and other games since its currently a lame duck. They stopped listening to people ages ago.

WoW literally re-defined the genre. Every game that came before it plays so dramatically different, that it only holds loose similarities (raid, group quests, general combat philosophy). There has not been a game that has come out since WoW that is a) drastically different and b) successful. Every single successful MMO since WoW's release copied the blue print and then focused on one particular area or left a creative fingerprint on it, but at its core, it's using the blue print. So, to me, this idea that people can absolutely hate on WoW but praise FF XIV and other games is absolutely ridiculous.

[Makeda]

There has not been a game that has come out since WoW that is a) drastically different and b) successful

This Khajiit wishes you played more MMOs, even if this one largely agrees with the rest of your points. This one notes agreement with everything you said except this one notes that Elder Scrolls Online is doing very well right now, and has been for a few years now - and is a radical departure from any other MMO this one has yet to encounter.

[Vahlnir]

Explanation: play XIV without blinders on. There is nothing to explain. It's like saying the sky is blue or grass is green, and then someone argues against it. It's just nonsensical to take your position.



WoW literally re-defined the genre. Every game that came before it plays so dramatically different, that it only holds loose similarities (raid, group quests, general combat philosophy). There has not been a game that has come out since WoW that is a) drastically different and b) successful. Every single successful MMO since WoW's release copied the blue print and then focused on one particular area or left a creative fingerprint on it, but at its core, it's using the blue print. So, to me, this idea that people can absolutely hate on WoW but praise FF XIV and other games is absolutely ridiculous.

People like and dislike different things. It's not ridiculous at all. I do think that it IS ridiculous to hate something that one has never played though, and I have ran into a lot of people in FF XIV who fit into that category. If FF XIV was just another WoW clone I wouldn't be here. It is not, thankfully. Not by a long shot. But there is some influences here, of course. How could there not be?

[Reap00]

Hates on the state of WoW. Plays a game that is literally a clone of WoW.

Checks out.

Ok lets walk down that road. I hate to break it to you friend. Vanilla WoW is a polished version of the mmos before it.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Explanation: play XIV without blinders on. There is nothing to explain. It's like saying the sky is blue or grass is green, and then someone argues against it. It's just nonsensical to take your position.

You've left me with no choice but to reuse the same gif.

[Lium]

Would like to see this game stay as far away from WoW as possible.

[Eli85]

This Khajiit wishes you played more MMOs, even if this one largely agrees with the rest of your points. This one notes agreement with everything you said except this one notes that Elder Scrolls Online is doing very well right now, and has been for a few years now - and is a radical departure from any other MMO this one has yet to encounter.

So, ESO really isn't that much different from WoW. The real big distinguishing part was its leveling process and the do any expansion in any order you want (which is one thing I love about ESO). But it's still the theme park blue print that WoW normalized. The bulk of the game — end game — is still do the same repetitive content over and over to get more gear and / or alternate advancement points to become stronger. Which is what XIV is. Which is what SWTOR is. Which is what every successful MMO is. Even before that, to look at ESO, you enter a zone, do the main quest (and side quest if you like), complete it, move on to the next zone. It's the same thing, with slightly different points of emphasis.

People like and dislike different things. It's not ridiculous at all. I do think that it IS ridiculous to hate something that one has never played though, and I have ran into a lot of people in FF XIV who fit into that category. If FF XIV was just another WoW clone I wouldn't be here. It is not, thankfully. Not by a long shot. But there is some influences here, of course. How could there not be?

But it is. See the above. There are things that are emphasized here that are not in WoW, but leveling and end game, it is mechanically and philosophically the exact same thing. The only real, tangible and practical differences between WoW and XIV (that are not aesthetically based) are the complexity of the crafting systems, how alts are handled, the GCD, and the amount and focus of the end game content. Maybe those different flavours are enough for you, but you're fooling yourself if you think this game did not lift the WoW blue print.

Ok lets walk down that road. I hate to break it to you friend. Vanilla WoW is a polished version of the mmos before it.

Not at all, no. The MMOs that came before WoW played so, so differently, that you probably should classify them in different genres. Blizzard looked at the MMO landscape and said, "Here is everything that should go away," and then created WoW. It wasn't just a polished MMO; it was a complete re-definition of the genre that no successful game has strayed from since.

[Vahlnir]

So, ESO really isn't that much different from WoW. The real big distinguishing part was its leveling process and the do any expansion in any order you want (which is one thing I love about ESO). But it's still the theme park blue print that WoW normalized. The bulk of the game — end game — is still do the same repetitive content over and over to get more gear and / or alternate advancement points to become stronger. Which is what XIV is. Which is what SWTOR is. Which is what every successful MMO is. Even before that, to look at ESO, you enter a zone, do the main quest (and side quest if you like), complete it, move on to the next zone. It's the same thing, with slightly different points of emphasis.



But it is. See the above. There are things that are emphasized here that are not in WoW, but leveling and end game, it is mechanically and philosophically the exact same thing. The only real, tangible and practical differences between WoW and XIV (that are not aesthetically based) are the complexity of the crafting systems, how alts are handled, the GCD, and the amount and focus of the end game content. Maybe those different flavours are enough for you, but you're fooling yourself if you think this game did not lift the WoW blue print.



Not at all, no. The MMOs that came before WoW played so, so differently, that you probably should classify them in different genres. Blizzard looked at the MMO landscape and said, "Here is everything that should go away," and then created WoW. It wasn't just a polished MMO; it was a complete re-definition of the genre that no successful game has strayed from since.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Good luck.