Eden Savage Loot

[ForteNightshade]

No it would just allow people to gear their mains before gearing their alts, and make savage more accessible to everyone, as they would have better chances of gearing.

Savage has never been more accessible than it is now. You can go in and clear the first three fights with half i440 if you're good enough. Not having Savage gear pieces doesn't make the content inaccessible. It wouldn't be clearable without it if that were the case. And before you shout how gear makes it easier. Yes, that's why tomes exist. It's essentially free gear for people who need am extra push beyond the i450 stuff.

They do distribute loot this way in some things there is content that you can go in to and get drops for certain classes and them classes have the ability to Need on them - others have the ability to Greed on them it just insures people who play that class and need the gear get it.

No? The only content where you're guaranteed a piece based on your role is Leveling dungeons. Everything else is RNG.

Okay firstly I think this method would make savage more accessible to all players as it is a lot of players are not bothering with savage because of the loot system the likely hood is they wont get anything because they have to contend with every single person there, even though some of these players have already geared their mains. What I am suggesting is using a system SE has used in the past with a algorithm which reads the parties classes and then adjusts the loot to suit, and no people wouldn't be able to gear up in 4 weeks it would still depend on if they win the loot drop or not - take tanks for example if 1 FENDING item dropped - then both tanks - in a situation where both need it - would roll need and only 1 of them would get this item. Again its RNG dependant it all this system dose is stop people gearing immediately and then gearing their alts immediately after - it gives others a chance to gear their mains first. That is all this system dose there is a similar system in use, but with the algorithm which reads the parties classes this would be a good system - it would stop wasted drops - it would allow people who need to gear main jobs to gear main jobs first - it also allows people to gear their alt jobs (just after peoples main jobs are geared) and there is also a way in which to gear another alt job that is not in the party and thats by using the things it drops (books) I see no issue with this at all . . . it just means some people cant gear their alt classes as quickly as they have already done so while others struggle to gear their main class

Anecdotes offer nothing since I can just as easily claim more people are partaking in Savage because it's easier now. There's nothing to back that up though. Just like your claim.

Per your own example, you have a 50% chance of getting gear now because a tank piece is always guaranteed to drop. In a static setting, both tanks can get everything by week two. Additionally, you want four drops per floor. That literally doubles the loot table for every floor except E1S. How doesn't that make gearing go by significantly faster? Sure, if you're pugging you might have to roll against another tank but once again, that's 50%. Unless you have the worst luck imaginable, you'll win fairly quickly. They don't want the majority of people gearing up that quickly. Like I said above, if you want better gear, the whole idea of the tomestome system is essentially guaranteed upgrades.

[Mavrias]

Your opinion not a fact - So if all 470 is not needed why are people still NEEDING it for their alt classes if its not needed as you say



kind of sounds elitist



Okay let me Explain again - Shadowbringers Primal EX drop job based gear (FENDING - HEALING - CASTING - AIMING - STRIKING) - which only the jobs that use these items have the ability to roll NEED feel free to double check that if you need to - this is what I meant - Sorry but your statement is incorrect.





I have the same chances as everyone else 50 - 50 and the reason I said 4 drops is because then all roll chances are 50 - 50. Tanks and healers would have 1 drop chest - DPS would have 2 drop chests. . .everyone has a 50 - 50 chance of getting something. Also no it dose not double the loot table 3 items drop adding 1 more dose not double that doubling would be 6




They don't want people gearing up that quickly - YET some people have their main and an alt class if not 2 with all 470 gear. . . .thats very quickly. This system would just make sure that this wouldn't happen and pace everyone, instead of what has happened happening.

Also you are saying I should put up with tombstone gear thats 460 . . . so why cant the people who have managed to gear their main with 470 and their alt with 470 . . .or their 3rd alt class with 470 - why cant these people be satisfied with 460 on their alt classes like you are telling me I should be with my main. ????????

You're starting to sound foolish now. Its not elitist to say that you need to have some sort of ability to do savage. Someones not going to clear if theyre just goofing off not doing a rotation or paying attention.

When you say "Shadowbringers Primal EX" drops are you referring to Innocence's accessories? Because Titania only drops weapons in terms of gear and only one at a time. And even in the case of accessories, the drops arent always guaranteed to be an even spread. One of my clears he dropped all casting accessories. Some of them dupes.

If you dont have good luck on rolls, thats unfortunate for you, but its no ones problem but your own. You can upgrade the 460 tome gear, its not like youll be stuck in it forever. And again if youre clearing regularly then you have pages to buy pieces amd upgrade materials with.

[Mavrias]

You are now sounding offensive - also how is suggesting a solution that evens out the odds for people and allows people the ability to gear their main class before people gear their alt classes foolish - please explain how equal chances are foolish




If someone is goofing off in a dungeon are they going to clear said dungeon - no they wont - I do not think that is what the other person meant



Yes I am - and yes i see what you are saying but with a system in place that reads the party's make up - and evens out the drops say 1 for healing classes 1 for tank classes and 2 for DPS classes then everyone would have a 50 - 50 chance of getting something - this would become a better system than what it is now and the system being used for Savage - also can I point out even in Titania a black mage could not roll NEED for a white mages weapon, the white mages weapon would go to the white mage, the class that used it. And also the need / greed system worked fine in these primal EX's Need before Greed.



The point here is some people have managed to gear their main classes and are still getting items for their alt classes the system i am suggesting would at least allow people to gear their main classes first and then allow people to have gear for their alt classes - basically it just means some people would wait before gearing alt classes - in my opinion not a big thing - Clearly some people think its a huge issue to not be able to gear what ever number alt class after people gear their main. You say use the tombstone gear - well couldn't the people who are gearing their alt classes use the tombstone gear while people gear their main classes ?

The foolish comment was specifically in regards to you claiming someone saying "you can clear savage in less than ideal gear if youre good enough" is elitist. Hence, why it was in the same paragraph. Also dungeons are brain dead easy enough (and without consequences) that a person probably could still clear them.

Most people who are gearing alts (at least that i know) are still attempting to get BiS, which requires a mix of savage gear AND tome gear. So they are in fact using tome gear for alt classes.

I've stated earlier my thoughts on your idea for a new system even in pug groups (to reiterate, it limits people's flexibility to fulfill multiple roles as needed, as they wont want to join on a class that they dont need gear for, as well as being really inconvenient for static groups. Also, in the case of dps its not a 50/50 chance as theres not a guarantee that say an aiming piece will drop with a DNC/MNK/DRG/SMN comp.) Also your idea favors those who start the tier later than others, which would be a nice catch up mechanic for say 5.15 or something, or even in 5.2. Not so good for when the content is current.

[ForteNightshade]

Your opinion not a fact - So if all 470 is not needed why are people still NEEDING it for their alt classes if its not needed as you say

Because they want it? Wanting something is not the same as needing something. I thought much was obvious. Accessibility only implies one's ability to access the content and, theoretically, complete it. Since Savage currently meets this criteria. It is, thus, accessible. With the reduction of its difficulty, ease of jobs and etc., it's even more accessible. Nothing about this is an opinion. It's fact.

kind of sounds elitist

Implying someone has to be good to clear Savage at an ilvl below the recommended minimum, is elitist now? Okay...

Okay let me Explain again - Shadowbringers Primal EX drop job based gear (FENDING - HEALING - CASTING - AIMING - STRIKING) - which only the jobs that use these items have the ability to roll NEED feel free to double check that if you need to - this is what I meant - Sorry but your statement is incorrect.

Yes? And it drops gear—weapons and accessories only, to be fair—based entirely on RNG. You are not guaranteed to see a Fending ring or a Warrior axe. What prompted this argument was your insinuation loot was guaranteed. It isn't. So no, my statement wasn't wrong. Furthermore, this is what the old system was. And it's bad. You can kill Titania 50 times and never once see that aforementioned Warrior Axe. The only reason people aren't nearly as bothered this is because there isn't a weekly limit on farming totems. You also have crafted as a direct alternative.

I have the same chances as everyone else 50 - 50 and the reason I said 4 drops is because then all roll chances are 50 - 50. Tanks and healers would have 1 drop chest - DPS would have 2 drop chests. . .everyone has a 50 - 50 chance of getting something. Also no it dose not double the loot table 3 items drop adding 1 more dose not double that doubling would be 6

No, you don't. There four DPS sub-categories: Maiming, Slaying, Casting and Aiming. Therefore, the DPS can have any two of those four drop in your system. In other words, they have a 25%. These odds diminish even further when it comes to accessories since Ninja shares with the Range and Dragoon shares with Monk and Samurai. As for doubling the loot table. You wanted, and I quote, 1 tank, 1 healer and 2 DPS drops per floor, yes? Currently, you only receive two equipment drops in every floor except E1S. Thus, your solution adds two more: which is four.

They don't want people gearing up that quickly - YET some people have their main and an alt class if not 2 with all 470 gear. . . .thats very quickly. This system would just make sure that this wouldn't happen and pace everyone, instead of what has happened happening.

Also you are saying I should put up with tombstone gear thats 460 . . . so why cant the people who have managed to gear their main with 470 and their alt with 470 . . .or their 3rd alt class with 470 - why cant these people be satisfied with 460 on their alt classes like you are telling me I should be with my main. ????????

That means they are still partaking in the content, which means they're still gearing. SE doesn't care if it's your main, alt, alt character or your cousin Dwayne. They want people to keep participating because content this content is supposed to last. If you can gear extremely fast, so could the person now who lucked into additional gear for their alts. Which means, now both of you will have less incentive to keep doing Savage each week.

Go ask them. A better question would be why are you entitled to the Savage drops more than them if you both put in an effort to clear? I'm fully BiS on Dragoon yet I also play tanks. If you and I both join a party, why should I get nothing out of the run except a page—which you also get? Why does your main have priority? Would it be nice of me to pass, especially if I don't need the piece? Sure. And I more than likely would. But I'm not obligated to do so.

[HyoMinPark]

Your statement was wrong - also if you didnt know Titania weapons can be bought with 10 tokens you dont have to kill it 50 times.Also implement the system that the other person suggested where it reads the party make up and drops loot for the classes in the party.

Likewise, Savage items can be bought with 4/6/8 books depending on the item. The only difference between Savage tokens and EX tokens are that Savage ones are currently on a weekly lockout.

What ForteNightshade is saying is that you can run the content 50 times and still not see the specific weapon you are after drop from the boss—which is completely true. Titania weapons have a 1 out of 17 chance to drop, which is roughly 0.06%. It’s irrelevant if you can buy the weapon you want after 10 runs: what matters is that there’s a very likely possibility that it doesn’t drop at all. This new Savage system eliminates some of the drop RNG, and the trade-off is increased competition.

Okay math time - 2 tanks 1 chest = 50/50 2 healers 1 chest = 50 / 50 4 DPS 2 chest = 50/ 50 if we are using the system the other person said about it would be a 50/50 chance and limit people to 1 item per floor.

This is incorrect for DPS. DPS would be a 1 in 5 (20%) chance to drop the applicable coffer to drop on all floors save for the first one, which would be a 1 in 4 (25%) chance.