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    Quote Originally Posted by Hash_Browns View Post
    I never understood this.
    Why do you have to hate WoW because you play FFXIV?
    I don't like WoW (I actually kind of hate it if you want to ues that term) and thus I play this game. And love it. I just don't want to have influences of WoW here.

    Think it of this: You are going to plan a BBQ with your Football enthusiast neighbours and after that you want to watch Football with your mates. Unfortunately, one of your neighbours, Bob, dislikes Football and will only talk about Baseball. You are not hating on Bob, but he would not fit into the Football fans as Baseball fan, so you do not invite him in the first place.

    Apart from that, I have not seen any big game (apart from FFXIV) that is creating a mess of their own franchise. I know in GW2 you had GW1 cross-overs which is fine, but all this random nonsense that made it into the game (mostly this ridiculous Yokai Watch) and take a away lots of immersion is really getting too much. Yes, I do enjoy that - immersion. As if: Playing a FF game, not some demo version of WoW influenced bullocks as if this is some free game CD from a 1990s cerealbox.
    Frog suits are a thing, but no need to get more random kitsch and gaudy stuff in here.

    But they could do a cross-over event in WoW instead of cr..pping their intelectual properties into better ones (such as FFXIV) which is a nice and cheap spin for advertisement and PR for WoW.

    Sincerely,

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKusakabe View Post
    [FONT="Franklin Gothic Medium"][SIZE="3"]I don't like WoW (I actually kind of hate it if you want to ues that term) and thus I play this game. And love it. I just don't want to have influences of WoW here.

    Think it of this: You are going to plan a BBQ with your Football enthusiast neighbours and after that you want to watch Football with your mates. Unfortunately, one of your neighbours, Bob, dislikes Football and will only talk about Baseball. You are not hating on Bob, but he would not fit into the Football fans as Baseball fan, so you do not invite him in the first place.
    Your scenario is a completely closed off space with a few friends. The majority of FFXIV players don't hate WoW. Also, in your scenario, baseball would be completely shoved down your throat, which is not the case in the "What if WoW got an event?" scenario because you could completely ignore it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKusakabe View Post
    [FONT="Franklin Gothic Medium"][SIZE="3"]I don't like WoW (I actually kind of hate it if you want to ues that term) and thus I play this game. And love it. I just don't want to have influences of WoW here.
    Oh boy you are far too late for that one. WoW was (and probably still is) Mr. Yoshidas role model. You can see that FF-XIV basically plays like a carbon copy. In SE's defense: so do most modern MMOs because it's what the majority seems to expect.

    Personally, I don't think a crossover event would make much sense.
    Both games essentially play the same, there wouldn't be anything new to bring like in the Rathalos encounter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Oh boy you are far too late for that one. WoW was (and probably still is) Mr. Yoshidas role model. You can see that FF-XIV basically plays like a carbon copy.
    Thankfully it isn't a carbon copy.

    No titanforging, no endgame gear raining from open world mobs and bosses, the relic isn't near-mandatory to raid, no facebook mission table tied to the main game, a far better and indepth craft and gathering system, not locked to 1 class and 2 DoH/DoL per character, no 10-20 reskins of the same mount/minion and so on. Those are the things that drove me from WoW and is why I still play ff14.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    Thankfully it isn't a carbon copy.

    No titanforging, no endgame gear raining from open world mobs and bosses, the relic isn't near-mandatory to raid, no facebook mission table tied to the main game, a far better and indepth craft and gathering system, not locked to 1 class and 2 DoH/DoL per character, no 10-20 reskins of the same mount/minion and so on. Those are the things that drove me from WoW and is why I still play ff14.
    Well lets just say that the FF-XIV team seemed to pay attention to what WoW was doing and avoided a few controversial things. THANK GOD.
    I was more referring to the meat of the actual gameplay though than reward structures. My WHM doesn't play that much differently compared to my priestess and savage vs mythic raids mostly feel the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Oh boy you are far too late for that one. WoW was (and probably still is) Mr. Yoshidas role model. You can see that FF-XIV basically plays like a carbon copy. In SE's defense: so do most modern MMOs because it's what the majority seems to expect.

    Personally, I don't think a crossover event would make much sense.
    Both games essentially play the same, there wouldn't be anything new to bring like in the Rathalos encounter.
    I can not remember that I was talking about gameplay.... So all the cars are the same because they have tyres and engines. I wonder why some prefer a Toyota over a Mazda then...? And all video games are the same because they have buttons to be pressed. All video game consoles are Atari clones! No?

    I really dislike WoW because of it is a wanna-be of J.R.R Tolkien worlds. I am tired of dwarves with filthy beards swinging axes, ridiculously generic "Lich Kings" with glowing eyes from the box art covers (or Pandas), purple elves with 2 feet long ears and probably the most generic professions ever. "Rogue" anyone?
    The gameplay aspect - if they are the same or not - does not matter in my case. It is about style. "Duke Nukem" could be the best shooter ever, but I hate the protagonist, so I do not play it. However, I like Maya from Borderlands 2, and many would go "Ewww, dat comic shooter" on reflex. Fine! But that is how I pick my games. And I do not want to have U.S. game influences here for obvious reasons. I like the aesthethics in here. When Shiva had her debut in the cutscenes, it was this typical JRPG look. WoW always tries to be Lord of The Rings.

    You could argue about that, but if doubt you would pick the most hideous car even though it drives the best.

    If WoW would be soooo great, how comes I am attraced to this game and spend hundreds of Euros here and exactly 0 Cents on Blizzard games?

    I also dislike Yoshida a lot and also think he is not doing a good job since a couple of years, but that is just a side effect and has nothing to do about their relationships to other well-known developers.

    When I boot up a game from such a great Franchise - and I talk about the "fantasy" Final Fantasy games, not the pseudo-realistic ones like X, XIII and XV - I expect it to stay true to itself. If you are an U.S. citizen and plant to have vacation in Germany, you would expect and eat at Bratwurst stands, not BurgerKings and KFCs.

    Being different is nothing bad. Forcing in random stuff into other intellectual properties is most probably a decision by the suits, not by actual gamers by heart. Because both suit-wearing (usually non-gaming) executives do care about PR, no matter how the actual product is affected.

    I'd love to bring back my DooM II event then. Kill the Cyberdemon. id Software has a cross over event with Square Enix because reasons:



    Wouldn't that be cool?? It does not matter if it fits, right?! Because we love to butcher Final Fantasy IPs and more options are more fun and what you guys always say. id Software is also very well-known to the market, maybe some players join FFXIV or start to play DooM on the way....


    But you don't have to particpate in those events!

    Yeah, you are not at the neighbours party because you are not a party-goer, but still the music blasts over to your house and the drunk people make hell of a noise.

    Or in other words: If there is a switch to turn that off, I would be fine.

    Sincerely,

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKusakabe View Post
    When I boot up a game from such a great Franchise - and I talk about the "fantasy" Final Fantasy games, not the pseudo-realistic ones like X, XIII and XV
    Well, you might want to run away right now then, to avoid seeing people with the Zanarkand outfit, the Sanctum outfit or the Regalia...or the Fenrir Bike, or the Slime Crown...or the Garo gear...or the Power Rangers emote...
    Quote Originally Posted by MrKusakabe View Post
    Yeah, you are not at the neighbours party because you are not a party-goer, but still the music blasts over to your house and the drunk people make hell of a noise.
    Sure, because the FFXV event being restricted to one FATE in Thanalan and several solo instances was such thrown in your face that you couldn't avoid it every time you logged into the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKusakabe View Post
    I really dislike WoW because of it is a wanna-be of J.R.R Tolkien worlds. I am tired of dwarves with filthy beards swinging axes, ridiculously generic "Lich Kings" with glowing eyes from the box art covers (or Pandas), purple elves with 2 feet long ears and probably the most generic professions ever. "Rogue" anyone?
    Anime characters are way better?, or lalafells... dude, at least gnomes have some personality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omymy View Post
    Anime characters are way better?, or lalafells... dude, at least gnomes have some personality.

    Yes, to me they are better, hence I am here and not in World of Tolkien. I know you are here only to cause mad beef a lot as seen in the Lalafell thread, but don't you think it's weird to be in a Japanese game with "anime characters" and ask if people like them more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lily_Skye View Post
    you are a lalafell, your opinion doesn't matter
    Ironically, it matters more than you think considered this is the game's official forums and thus basically the reason to post as Lalafell.


    You WoW people are really run rampage latey, aren't you? WoW isn't as good I guess or why don't you play that intead of bothering people in the other franchise..?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKusakabe View Post
    Yes, to me they are better, hence I am here and not in World of Tolkien. I know you are here only to cause mad beef a lot as seen in the Lalafell thread, but don't you think it's weird to be in a Japanese game with "anime characters" and ask if people like them more?



    Ironically, it matters more than you think considered this is the game's official forums and thus basically the reason to post as Lalafell.


    You WoW people are really run rampage latey, aren't you? WoW isn't as good I guess or why don't you play that intead of bothering people in the other franchise..?
    Speaking as someone who plays both games, and this isn't to strike at you, but I really have to contest your happenstance to liken the world of Azeroth to the works of Tolkien. Blizzard's writing is more like an insane fever dream that's ripping from Warhammer than it is Tolkien's work.
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