Adding Stances

[LariaKirin]

"A 26 pages thread about healers who quit" isn't a lie. Did I say there are 26 pages worth of healers quitting? No, I said there's a 26 pages thread about healers quitting. And there is, in fact, a 26 pages thread about healers quitting.
Of course there's going to be people who post just to say no to the OP, just like in about every single opinion/complaint thread on this forum. I mean, some people said that 5.0 AST was fine...

Yes, you did say that. Unless "healers who quit" doesn't mean "healers who quit" anymore.

As for queues, remember when tanks were always in demand and had instant queues everywhere? If they no longer have the monopoly, it means the demand switched to another role. Maaaaaybe the role with the most controversial changes and least additions during this expansion?
And don't give me the "it's the start of an expansion" argument. I heard it one week after release, a month after release, two months after release, and today. Yet healers are still in demand a LOT more than in SB.

I see instant queues with a healer and no tank in the party. I see instant queues with a tank and no healer in the party. I also see short DPS queues when no healer is in the party, which implies that there are plenty of healers queuing.

It's called observation bias. You see what you want to see, not what is actually happening. The duty finder does not and can not give you an accurate picture of what is happening in general, only in the few samples a day when you actually queue. You simply do not have the information to say that the demand switched to healer.

The "start of an expansion" argument is very much valid. People play multiple jobs. The vast majority of players do not have everything at level 80 yet. The simple fact that there are only 3 healers means that as soon as a healer main levels them all to 80, they are extremely unlikely to ever queue for anything other than expert again. Do you do leveling roulette on your level 80 healer? Didn't think so.

[Lodi]

Yes, you did say that. Unless "healers who quit" doesn't mean "healers who quit" anymore.



I see instant queues with a healer and no tank in the party. I see instant queues with a tank and no healer in the party. I also see short DPS queues when no healer is in the party, which implies that there are plenty of healers queuing.

It's called observation bias. You see what you want to see, not what is actually happening. The duty finder does not and can not give you an accurate picture of what is happening in general, only in the few samples a day when you actually queue. You simply do not have the information to say that the demand switched to healer.

The "start of an expansion" argument is very much valid. People play multiple jobs. The vast majority of players do not have everything at level 80 yet. The simple fact that there are only 3 healers means that as soon as a healer main levels them all to 80, they are extremely unlikely to ever queue for anything other than expert again. Do you do leveling roulette on your level 80 healer? Didn't think so.

There is a 26 pages thread on the topic of healers quitting the job. It's not 26 pages worth of negative feedback, but it is still a big thread about players who are tired of the current situation.

What you're telling me is like claiming there's no 21 pages RDM issues thread ( http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...is-the-outrage ) because not everybody agrees with the OP.

And again, where is the thread about tanks quitting because all tanks are identical? Where is the thread about dps quitting because all dps are identical? Nowhere, because no other role had it as rough as healers.


As for queues...
"You just see what you want to see"
"I see a lot of quick queues on every role"

Allow me to mmmmmmh for a moment, would you?

And tanks barely have anything more to level compared to healers, only one class that's already lvl 60. It's been three months, why is it not back to only tanks in demand yet?


You can't deny that the demand largely shifted from pretty much only tanks, to tanks and healers depending on the time of the day.

Players are a lot less interested in healers due to overly simplified kits (and straight up downgrades in certain cases) and no new healers for at least 6 years. And quitters all share the same thoughts: healers are boring.

If proportionally less players play healers, and they all cite the same reasons... maybe it means that their complaints are justified.

[Duskane]

And tanks barely have anything more to level compared to healers, only one class that's already lvl 60. It's been three months, why is it not back to only tanks in demand yet?
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this is not even a real estimate on "healer drought"
especially when it changes so frequently between healer,tank and even DPS in need for alliance and expert
all my roulette right now are Tank besides ones i mentioned which are dps

[LariaKirin]

There is a 26 pages thread on the topic of healers quitting the job. It's not 26 pages worth of negative feedback, but it is still a big thread about players who are tired of the current situation.

What you're telling me is like claiming there's no 21 pages RDM issues thread ( http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...is-the-outrage ) because not everybody agrees with the OP.

Has nothing to do with the RDM thread. I'm not telling you it doesn't exist. I'm calling out your portrayal of what that thread really is. It's not "healers who quit", so thanks for correcting your statement.

As for queues...
"You just see what you want to see"
"I see a lot of quick queues on every role"

Allow me to mmmmmmh for a moment, would you?

It seems you're unable to comprehend my point and chose to simply take two statements out of context because reasons. The only point of listing several things I see is to tell you that queues fluctuate. Yet you choose to only observe the instant healer queues, because of bias. I will never use queues to make an argument in regards to role numbers, because this is my stance on the duty finder: "The duty finder does not and can not give you an accurate picture of what is happening in general"

And tanks barely have anything more to level compared to healers, only one class that's already lvl 60. It's been three months, why is it not back to only tanks in demand yet?

You can't deny that the demand largely shifted from pretty much only tanks, to tanks and healers depending on the time of the day.

Players are a lot less interested in healers due to overly simplified kits (and straight up downgrades in certain cases) and no new healers for at least 6 years. And quitters all share the same thoughts: healers are boring.

If proportionally less players play healers, and they all cite the same reasons... maybe it means that their complaints are justified.

I can absolutely deny it and I do not accept your premise that it's ever been only tanks in demand. If you want to make the case that there are proportionally less healers now as compared to SB, then you'll have to provide some numbers. Your memory of how it was in SB and what your bias observes about the queues is not good enough.