Petition to have the right to post about players in our community

[Viridiana]

1. Made me LOL

2. Slander = defamation = a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individuala negative image.

OP can in all honesty believe the claim to be true, and maybe the claim WAS true for ONE DAY. That does not mean that person will ALWAYS act that way. His post intended to give a player a negative image = defamatory = slander. nuff said srsly guise...

Everyone has their own truth.

Hmm. . .

Specific requirements that a plaintiff must prove in order to recover in a defamation action differ from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Under the Restatement (Second) of Torts, which is drafted by the American Law Institute and has been influential among state courts, a plaintiff must prove four elements. First, the plaintiff must prove that the defendant made a false and defamatory statement concerning the plain-tiff. Second, the plaintiff must prove that the defendant made an unprivileged publication to a third party. Third, the plaintiff must prove that the publisher acted at least negligently in publishing the communication. Fourth, in some cases, the plaintiff must prove special damages.

(Emphasis mine)

Source.

The most important defense to an action for defamation is "truth", which is an absolute defense to an action for defamation.

Source.

Now, if you're arguing based on a non-US legal system, feel free to post something to the contrary. . .

Also, because I've seen you do it twice now--"hath" is a singular verb. >_>

[Matsume]

Hmm. . .

made a false and defamatory statement

Also, because I've seen you do it twice now--"hath" is a singular verb. >_>

and implies that false =/= defamatory. Not one and the same.

as for ye old english, I find it spices things up a little and makes reading a little more fun even if used incorectly.

Verb

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(archaic) Third-person singular simple present indicative form of have.

Thirty days hath September.

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[Masamune1004]

I didn't make an assumption Masamune, you claimed his thread - which intended to give a player a negative image (slander/Defamation)- was fun. Just because you call it X does not mean it isnt Y.

Just because the OP is about something doesn't mean that every single reply is about the same thing. For all you know we could've been making completely off-topic funny jokes.

Why do you think a GMs job consists of banning other players for harassment? I can pull up a GM job application right now, and that is not part of the job description. It is your responsibility as a player is to Blacklist someone if they cause you trouble, not cry to a GM to fix every little issue you have with this game.

Our Definition of Harassment
The use of inappropriate and offensive language in general, or against another player is considered harassment in FINAL FANTASY XIV and is strictly prohibited. Using offensive language for character and retainer name, or spreading the inappropriate words in the character’s first and last names is also considered harassment. All claims of harassment are evaluated on a case by case basis and the action taken can be varied based upon the situation at that time. If harassment is found, the account penalty will be issued to all players who involve in the harassment.

•The use of language that is generally considered unacceptable in a public venue
•Any language that is purposely meant to harm or harass a third party
•Any language that promotes the discrimination of any race, nationality, religion, sexual orientation or gender

There may be inappropriate conduct that does not fit into any of the above categories that may be considered harassment and as such would constitute an actionable offense.

In accordance with our privacy and confidentiality policies, the GM will not inform the victim of any disciplinary action that was issued.

Taken straight from SE's Support Center, which implies that they do handle harassment cases.

Furthermore you can post in your LS chat that player X has caused you trouble, and word will spread. If others experience the same issue, they too will blacklist player X and eventually he will find himself all alone. If you want quit because a GM wont do what you think they should do to a player that caused you problems that you refuse to blacklist, then by all means, quit.

I'd rather no one be exposed to harassment. You can /blist them and tell your LS about them, but that doesn't help the new players that might have the unfortunate chance of being in a party with them. If they get harassed by them, they may assume that all people on the game are like this and quit. Do you truly think that SE doesn't care about people quitting their game and losing money?

Players should be able to warn each other in game without having to resort to a Scarlet Letter thread that could tarnish a players reputation going on into the future. Look another post mentioned, this player could have been having a bad day and might have just been blowing off steam at anyone and everyone around him. Does this really merit a forum thread dedicated to proving he is someone to avoid?

No, it doesn't. This wouldn't be necessary if people were banned for repeated harassment cases. I can understand sometimes people have bad days, but if it keeps happening, something needs to be done. I guess I should've been more clear in my post. I don't think they should be banned right away of course.

[Matsume]

....lol. For a second I thought you were kidding but the fact you're not makes it even more hilarious.

I do it for the lulz...

[Vackashken]

Because I would be on the unofficial list of botters. I get accused of botting on weekly basis by random people who think they are the police of the server. Not to mention that I personally, as you are quite aware, have been unjustly targeted more than once for character assassination.

Fair enough I suppose but I am sick of seeing people we very well know bot get away with it and nothing happen. Especially when I am paying for this train wreck of a game. The fact that - somebody - we both know character was rising and falling for 8 HOURS straight because he fell asleep (and ran out of materials in his bot cycle) says it all.

I know people reported him from the hubbub of flak that was flying around in shouts and tells and nothing happened. At all. In even the smallest way. So I stand by my previous statement - SE is toothless in their response. Albeit it I am inclined to agree with you a bit more (seeing as what happened with you about aholes trying to sully your name), it still disgust me that nobody does anything about teh rampant cheating going on in the game.

Seems like someone should.

[Viridiana]

and implies that false =/= defamatory. Not one and the same.

You didn't really respond to my second link, which calls truth "an absolute defense" against defamation charges. >_>

[Matsume]

Our Definition of Harassment
The use of inappropriate and offensive language in general, or against another player is considered harassment in FINAL FANTASY XIV and is strictly prohibited. Using offensive language for character and retainer name, or spreading the inappropriate words in the character’s first and last names is also considered harassment. All claims of harassment are evaluated on a case by case basis and the action taken can be varied based upon the situation at that time. If harassment is found, the account penalty will be issued to all players who involve in the harassment.

•The use of language that is generally considered unacceptable in a public venue
•Any language that is purposely meant to harm or harass a third party
•Any language that promotes the discrimination of any race, nationality, religion, sexual orientation or gender

There may be inappropriate conduct that does not fit into any of the above categories that may be considered harassment and as such would constitute an actionable offense.

In accordance with our privacy and confidentiality policies, the GM will not inform the victim of any disciplinary action that was issued.

No where does it say players will or should be banned.

Furthermore you have no way of proving that the appropriate disciplanairy action HATH not been exercised upon said player since it is against their code of conduct to tell the victim of such punishment. Don't assume someone deserves to be banned, nor that he HATH not been punished (GM jail) because you still see him/her running around Uldah.

[HiirNoivl]

Frankly, once a botter always a botter and it's only a matter of time. I didn't play FFXI but I take comfort in the fact that the day they did do something about botting remains etched in the minds of many people. But this was years after the games launch. I'm not sure what the internal workings of Square Enix mandates but if history tells us anything, Bot-Maggedon will come eventually.

I'm afraid that if people start making their own "bad player lists", once someone's name is on it it will be impossible to get it off.

[Blitz0309]

Fair enough I suppose but I am sick of seeing people we very well know bot get away with it and nothing happen. Especially when I am paying for this train wreck of a game. The fact that - somebody - we both know character was rising and falling for 8 HOURS straight because he fell asleep (and ran out of materials in his bot cycle) says it all.

I know people reported him from the hubbub of flak that was flying around in shouts and tells and nothing happened. At all. In even the smallest way. So I stand by my previous statement - SE is toothless in their response. Albeit it I am inclined to agree with you a bit more (seeing as what happened with you about aholes trying to sully your name), it still disgust me that nobody does anything about teh rampant cheating going on in the game.

Seems like someone should.

People will eventually get caught. But wanting to post peoples names on the forums is like asking for permissions to pull over speeders. Not that botting is as acceptable as (at least how i view) speeding (though not like 20+ over).. but you get the idea. There are authorities in game to take care of issues like this, despite how ineffective they may be.

However even if a guy is bot crafting, why does it matter to you? I suppose it makes the work you've put in to craft less meaningful.. but doesn't power leveling in essence do the same thing? Not trying to argue, and definitely not defending botting... more just wondering where the police the others mentality is coming from.

[Vackashken]

Frankly, once a botter always a botter and it's only a matter of time. I didn't play FFXI but I take comfort in the fact that the day they did do something about botting remains etched in the minds of many people. But this was years after the games launch. I'm not sure what the internal workings of Square Enix mandates but if history tells us anything, Bot-Maggedon will come eventually.

By the time that happens said people will have their jobs and crafts all to 50 so it'll be too late. Damage done.