Petition to have the right to post about players in our community

[Rhomagus]

imagine someone who doesn't like you and post some freely invented accusations.
that person has 10 friends who write supporting posts that promote that character assassination of yours.
that's why it's not allowed in the forums and neither IRL.

warn your friends and your LS if you think you have to, but you are not a lawyer in the duty to save your server from evil.
you want a virtual pillory? we don't.

No, no and no.

I made a thread a while ago about a "bad player" and told my story of a guy who was rude to me (without names).
I would never, in MILLION YEARS, give out his name though - well not on forums at least.

There is always two sides to a story and sometimes people who get mentioned in posts like that won't even know about the post to go defend themselves.

Also, I do think that sometimes even the virtual bullies just need a friend to make them stop being idiots - flaming them on forums wont actually make any difference, well it could actually make things worse.

Hate to say it. But i'm against this. All this would do is create drama on a forum, and i can understand why SE wouldn't want it on their site.

If you want to post about a person in particular do it on a shell forum. If someone is an ass online (which most people are), then just tell your friends. /blacklist them (if that exists... i haven't even managed to talk to anyone in game yet lol).

You can't expect a public forum for a company to become a shame list, anything posted is here say, even if you post screen caps those can be modified pretty easily... but you get the idea. You met someone on the internet who is acting like an immature child. This happens.. hell, i was playing dota 2 with a real life friend of mine for over a decade and he is "no longer my friend" because i wouldn't defend the fact he was getting called on playing horribly by the rest of my team. Still kinda in shock about that... but i guess that is what online gaming does to people. It turns them all into children the second they don't get what they want.

People make their own reputations. They don't need anyone else's help.

Posting about individual people, and their 'supposed' reputations is a VERY bad idea. You may realize that not everyone is entirely honest, and all this type of activity does is lead to flame wars.

Because this is a uniquely server issue, you are far better off just blacklisting the person, and telling the people you know to avoid or be catious of that individual.

Plus why waste the moderators time by forcing them to manage these types of threads? They did the right thing in deleting it.

The preceding quotes effectively argue against the proposals laid out in the OP while still maintaining sympathy for the OP's point of view. I am inclined to agree with them.

Everyone has their own opinion and quite honestly, if you really wanted to defame or hurt such an individual, telling the people you play with is all that's necessary. Putting it on the official forums enhances the effect, but doesn't add validity and only encourages forum goers to slander people they don't like. If SE were to officially respond to such accusations on the forums then people would get the idea that if they slander someone enough that they don't like outside the game, they can then get what they want. That, in and of itself, is a form of bullying. Involving more people that agree with you doesn't change that.

I've seen posts about "supposed" botters, that don't provide solid proof or evidence of botting. They see people glitching in the game and instead of blaming the game's code or network speeds, they call it hacking. Only because of the Ifrit fight mechanics is the laymen audience aware, from an objective standpoint, that there is a coding/network issue with the game that causes people to look like they're in a different place than where they are. Posting erroneous information, even if the poster believes it to be true, could greatly damage an otherwise innocent person's reputation. How many people read every post in a thread before coming to a conclusion? It would not be a righteously moral road to go down if the community were to wholeheartedly condone the OP's proposals. Having sympathy for another's plight who may find him/herself in a similar situation is completely understandable but no one has a monopoly on the truth and the governing authority, in this case Square-Enix, should not act on, nor condone, posts slandering any individual.

Despite that, the OP still has options. They can warn every individual they come in contact with in-game about the person in question from their closest friends and linkshell comrades to random experience parties and repair requests. On Besaid, they'll probably feel it instantaneously. I don't condone such behavior and I would say just let it be, but if the OP is intent on being malicious there are still methods they could pursue.

[Masamune1004]

No where does it say players will or should be banned.

You stated that it wasn't the GMs job to do these things, and that is what this is a reply to.

Furthermore you have no way of proving that the appropriate disciplanairy action HATH not been exercised upon said player since it is against their code of conduct to tell the victim of such punishment. Don't assume someone deserves to be banned, nor that he HATH not been punished (GM jail) because you still see him/her running around Uldah.

I'll give you this one.

[lackofwords]

Why should 20 people have to dislike and or /blacklist a member of our community just to escape a trouble makers antics, when dealing with this problem should be SE's job. Yes, I reported it. Yes, I /blisted him. Yes, I posted evidence of it. Now it's gone.

He managed to affect 20 people in-game directly to the point of individuals /blisting him? Impressive, but no Paul Christoforo yet.

I agree bad behaviors should be punished, but posting on it public forums is something I would avoid doing. I understand the desire to inform others about such offenses, or rally conforming responses from your peers, but what real purpose does it serve? Is it really to raise awareness for the community? What are the chances of running into him in-game for Besaid players? And even then wouldn't the unaware player take their own actions to /blist the offender or report him again?

Simply put, it is not an extreme threat to the public that needs awareness.

Sticks and stones
May break my bones
But words will never hurt me.

There are better things to raise public awareness about, such as con artist or thieves. Although, there isn't much room for that in the game. Maybe stealing craft materials when someone is asking for help, but that's about it.

[Vackashken]

People will eventually get caught. But wanting to post peoples names on the forums is like asking for permissions to pull over speeders. Not that botting is as acceptable as (at least how i view) speeding (though not like 20+ over).. but you get the idea. There are authorities in game to take care of issues like this, despite how ineffective they may be.

However even if a guy is bot crafting, why does it matter to you? I suppose it makes the work you've put in to craft less meaningful.. but doesn't power leveling in essence do the same thing? Not trying to argue, and definitely not defending botting... more just wondering where the police the others mentality is coming from.

Why does it matter? Where does it stop? So bot crafting is OK (not that you're saying it personally)? So is speed hacks ok? Bot farming? Bot claiming NMs? Rules are rules and cheating is cheating. You don't just pick one you personally don't like or have a preference for.

[Jinko]

Especially when I am paying for this train wreck of a game.

If the game is such a train wreck why are you paying for it ?

[Shyd]

[SIZE="7"]WELCOME TO THE INTERNETS!!![/SIZE]

[Vackashken]

If the game is such a train wreck why are you paying for it ?

Because I am hoping it will get better? Maybe you'd like to ask another obvious question like "do you need air to live" and "if I am hungry should I eat"?

outstanding.

[Matsume]

You didn't really respond to my second link, which calls truth "an absolute defense" against defamation charges. >_>

I live in France, I could care less about the American Law System. Furthermore, what is "truth"?

Alternative forms
trewth (obsolete)

Etymology
From Middle English, from Old English trēowþ, trīewþ (“truth, veracity, faith, fidelity, loyalty, honour, pledge, covenant”), from Proto-Germanic *trewwiþō (“promise, covenant, contract”), from Proto-Indo-European *drū- (“tree”), from Proto-Indo-European *deru- (“firm, solid”), equivalent to true +‎ -th. Cognate with Icelandic tryggð (“loyalty, fidelity”).

truth (usually uncountable; plural truths)

1. (archaic) The state or quality of being true to someone or something; faithfulness, fidelity.

Truth to one's own feelings is all-important in life.

2. (obsolete) A pledge of loyalty or faith. Conformity to fact or reality; correctness, accuracy.

There was some truth in his statement that he had no other choice.

3. True facts, genuine depiction or statements of reality.

The truth is that our leaders knew a lot more than they were letting on.

4. That which is real, in a deeper sense; spiritual or ‘genuine’ reality.

5. Something acknowledged to be true; a true statement or axiom.

Hunger and jealousy are just eternal truths of human existence.

6. (physics) A now-outdated term for topness. (See also truth quark.)


1820: Beauty is truth, truth beauty, - that is all / Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know. — John Keats, ‘Ode on a Grecian Urn’ ...

truth value (plural truth values):
(logic) A value indicating to what extent a statement is true; in classical logic, these are the values "true" and "false".

half-truth
A deceptive statement , especially one that is only partly true, is incomplete , (misrepresent s reality by telling part of the truth), ...

stretch the truth
to exaggerate , often to the point where the truth is obscured or lost.

The point being, everyone has their own truth. What may be true to you may not necessarily be true to another. You can interpret one plaayers actions as harassment while the player in question might claim he would not take offense to such actions if he were in your place. Alas we get to the nitty gritty of Subjective Interpretation. This is why everyone has their own version of truth.

It's been fun.

[Jinko]

Because I am hoping it will get better? Maybe you'd like to ask another obvious question like "do you need air to live" and "if I am hungry should I eat"?

outstanding.

Um, I don't think its that obvious, I am also hoping the game will get better but I'm currently not paying to play.

No need to reply in that tone either is there ? (kind of ironic seeing as this thread is originally about rude and obnoxious behaviour)

[HiirNoivl]

By the time that happens said people will have their jobs and crafts all to 50 so it'll be too late. Damage done.

The damage is easily undone by permanently banning the accounts the botters. Which is what happened the last time.