Ranged DPS role is about to be excluded from all content

[AinaRosewood]

Personally I have always hated the you must play with this effiencey rate or have x % of dps since I played wow. Play as you like and feel comfortable. I play whm rdm and dnc primarily and I have yet to search out what is 'meta' for any of then I play what feels right. So many players focus so much on what does the 'best' and 'fastest' that they rob others the chance of fning enjoying the content. Stop the massive pulls that are nothing but a stress for the healer cause you know whose gonna be blamed for the wipe 9 times outta 10 it aient the tank. Dont push the mentality of if you haven't reached endgame in a week your shit. Let people enjoy the damn game the way they want to!

[Akiudo]

Personally I have always hated the you must play with this effiencey rate or have x % of dps since I played wow. Play as you like and feel comfortable. I play whm rdm and dnc primarily and I have yet to search out what is 'meta' for any of then I play what feels right. So many players focus so much on what does the 'best' and 'fastest' that they rob others the chance of fning enjoying the content. Stop the massive pulls that are nothing but a stress for the healer cause you know whose gonna be blamed for the wipe 9 times outta 10 it aient the tank. Dont push the mentality of if you haven't reached endgame in a week your shit. Let people enjoy the damn game the way they want to!

i get the sentiment, and yes, in an ideal world we could all be happy, but "Let people enjoy the damn game the way they want to!", what does that mean to you ? because i know most raiding folk mean "let the boss die and hand me the shinies" , that IS "playing the damn game the way they want to!". Problem is if some classes are making this objectively harder than others letting "you" play the way you want runs exactly Counter to playing the game the way "they" want.

People need to realize that while yes, no one has any right to "force" someone to play something different, or "git gud", but neither is there any given right to be taken into a group just because you want to, and thats where the problems arise. Saying "let me play whatever i want, however i want, its my decision how i want to have fun" is totally fine, but Complaining about others taking that answer as reasons to exclude People is doing exactly the same, you deny these people their right to decide for themselves if they want to have an easier time, a faster run, or even some Personal challenge, taking your mass pull example here, Blaming the healer when it goes south completly aside, as a tank mass pulls means i've got reason to use cooldowns and move out of shit, pulling in groups of 2 mobs would basically mean do 3 skills to keep enmity and go afk till group is dead.

[Rika007]

Personally I have always hated the you must play with this effiencey rate or have x % of dps since I played wow. Play as you like and feel comfortable. I play whm rdm and dnc primarily and I have yet to search out what is 'meta' for any of then I play what feels right. So many players focus so much on what does the 'best' and 'fastest' that they rob others the chance of fning enjoying the content. Stop the massive pulls that are nothing but a stress for the healer cause you know whose gonna be blamed for the wipe 9 times outta 10 it aient the tank. Dont push the mentality of if you haven't reached endgame in a week your shit. Let people enjoy the damn game the way they want to!

And what if your idea of enjoying the game the way you want too directly clashes with others? Cause when I go into a dungeon, no matter if I'm a healer, tank, or dps, I want to pull big and push it all to the max, because that is the only way I really can enjoy the content, any other speed is absolutely mind numbingly boring. The mentality goes both ways. While sometimes the upper tier player needs to slow down for the lower tier, some times a lower tier player needs to push themselves a bit harder and meet the upper tier halfway.

[MerlinCross]

And what if your idea of enjoying the game the way you want too directly clashes with others? Cause when I go into a dungeon, no matter if I'm a healer, tank, or dps, I want to pull big and push it all to the max, because that is the only way I really can enjoy the content, any other speed is absolutely mind numbingly boring. The mentality goes both ways. While sometimes the upper tier player needs to slow down for the lower tier, some times a lower tier player needs to push themselves a bit harder and meet the upper tier halfway.

If “push themselves harder” means the lower tier needs to power level a class they have no desire to play because the upper tier will complain/refuse the classes they do play; I don’t think the lower tier is at fault here.

I mean I know this is about ranged but I play/“main” SAM right now. From what I see on the forums, I’d better go grind BLM or MNK cause no one is going to take me in raids otherwise. But those are classes I have no interest in so why raid?

[Katie_Kitty]

That's so wrong considering BLM was underwhelming in stormblood and was outshined by basically everyone

Not really. BLM dominated the rankings by Alphascape and in sigma/delta they held their own just fine. BLM wasn't weak, it simply wasn't desired because it didn't bring raid buffs and FFLogs motivated people to want jobs that brought raid buffs. Coincidentally, Shadowbringers was designed in such a way that that weakness (lack of raid buffs) is in fact no longer a problem at all because their personal DPS is so powerful that it completely blows away any and all raid buffs support jobs can provide. It's almost as if they completely destroyed support jobs just to make sure BLM could be the most desired job or something..hmm..

[Rika007]

If “push themselves harder” means the lower tier needs to power level a class they have no desire to play because the upper tier will complain/refuse the classes they do play; I don’t think the lower tier is at fault here.

I mean I know this is about ranged but I play/“main” SAM right now. From what I see on the forums, I’d better go grind BLM or MNK cause no one is going to take me in raids otherwise. But those are classes I have no interest in so why raid?

That's getting into a totally separate mindset. I was responding to a poster stating to "stop the massive pulls that are nothing but a stress for the healer", and let people just enjoy it at their own pace. I take a massive issue with this frame of mind because most players who say this don't realize that this goes both ways. The other 3 people in the run are just as entitled to their fun as you are to yours, and it's the role of all players involved to find a happy medium. If that means a healer who may not like big pulls but at least has the ability to do them, sucking it up and letting the tank pull a few extra mobs. If that means a tank likes to pull wall to wall but the rest of the party isn't comfortable to it, maybe only pull one or two mobs max.

What you're talking about is totally different. If you came into my static for prog, I would not turn down a Samurai that knew their stuff, because I know at my level as long as anyone can drop 80% parse on their job and can grasp mechanics quickly, we will probably clear all 4 fights in savage within the first two weeks. Now... would I take you into my speed run party, or if my group was capable of it a world first race? No probably not, but that is literally the highest of high echelon's, and in that party I would expect anyone in my party (including myself) to drop their favorite role in favor of whatever will contribute to the fastest run possible, because that is a mindset that you have to have if you want to do competitive speed runs.

[RoyalBeef]

I play whm rdm and dnc primarily and I have yet to search out what is 'meta' for any of then I play what feels right. So many players focus so much on what does the 'best' and 'fastest' that they rob others the chance of fning enjoying the content.

Voidwalker says "Do 73k DPS or it's a wipe." Expectations aren't set by players but by the content. The content doesn't care if you enjoy that or not.

[Neela]

Coincidentally, Shadowbringers was designed in such a way that that weakness (lack of raid buffs) is in fact no longer a problem at all because their personal DPS is so powerful that it completely blows away any and all raid buffs support jobs can provide. It's almost as if they completely destroyed support jobs just to make sure BLM could be the most desired job or something..hmm..

[Nedkel]

If you want range dps to do exact same dmg as the blm or melee dps then your job has to get same casting times or positionals.
In sb we had a thread where people complained for melee dps being in deep S, since they were more diffuclt to play and not performing considerably better. SE changed that in shb and its in a good spot right now.
There are some changes coming but i doubt these will make range dps doing the same amount of dps as melee. Deal with it, its not going to happen, and why should it if your job is a lot less vulneruable to the mistakes, get real.

[Endariel]

If you want range dps to do exact same dmg as the blm or melee dps then your job has to get same casting times or positionals.
In sb we had a thread where people complained for melee dps being in deep S, since they were more diffuclt to play and not performing considerably better. SE changed that in shb and its in a good spot right now.
There are some changes coming but i doubt these will make range dps doing the same amount of dps as melee. Deal with it, its not going to happen, and why should it if your job is a lot less vulneruable to the mistakes, get real.

Are we talking about the positionals which monk can ignore half of the time? Or any other mdps uses for 2 gcds?

Or magic DPS who have options for movements.

It's not like any fight requires you to move 24/7.