Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Alleo]

It was less “let’s make a burly man and a sexy woman” and more “we were going to make a full hrothgar race for both genders but we saw how popular viera are but don’t have the resources to produce 2 full races so let’s just replace female hrothgar with female viera”. No matter what, people were going to be upset. If they didn’t have viera as a playable race after teasing us with Fran I guarantee there would have been angry threads in this forum. They just thought that this would be the safest route.

And in other interviews he stated that after introducing Fran they saw how well liked beastial races were thus they thought about introducing one. Honestly their reasonings are changing a lot through different interviews. Vieras were already on the table with Heavensward, we even got artwork of them. They had a bigger role in a raid before the new expansion...so I really doubt that Hrothgar came first and Viera was after that. Because if they already had the Hrothgar race planned, why were they not introduced in the expansion before their release? Why give the Vieras a whole region on the first and let us visit it, while most Hrothgar are just side characters in the story? Why were the Viera shown first and nothing was told about Hrothgar until the last fanfest?

There are interviews were they said that Hrothgar came first, but they are also others who stated the opposite.

In the end one complete race (no matter which of the two) would have been much better. One race to introduce us to, one race to write lore for. One race that can be introduced to us so that they not just suddenly pop up. Instead they divided their power, which in turn made it bad for both imo.

(Also it was still burly man and sexy woman, because they still could have choosen male Viera and female Hrothgar and keep Fran as a possible teaser for the missing female Viera)

Viera to appeal to people who like tall women, (Female Elezen Players) Hrothgar to appeal to people who like big buff men (Male Roe Players)

This is also what I mean by personal agenda btw, stop pushing your personal view when they had to make two aspects of the community happy with more race options. It's not fanservice, it's not using a trope, it's *how do we make people who want Viera happy, and give something to the people who may want bigger body types*

So on one side people should not put their personal view in this (which is hard in a discussion because we are all shaped by our personal experience and likes) but at the same time these races are introduced because they appeal to certain people? Isnt that kinda the same? In my personal view I like tall and slender men, so if SE introduce them because more people like them, isnt that serving to my own personal view?

Viera is fanservice. They introduced that race to us by using a well liked character from another game and even though they have their own lore and their own lifestyle they also wear what Fran wears as racial gear..something which imo makes no sense to wear in the forest and that makes them look like sexy tall women.

(Tropes are anywhere btw and are not necessarily bad.)

Lalafell, miqo'te, au ra, midlanders, and elezen are all races where the males are / can be more feminine. Stop trying to act like there's some over abundance of burly men in this game. There's Highlander, Roegadyn, and now Hrothgar. That's 3 burly versus 5 feminine options. Womp womp for your argument.

So Midlanders and Miqote are feminine to you? The two builds that are mostly just average males? Many men around the world will probably groan if they read that just because they are average in height and not bulky they are suddenly feminine. Elezen is tall and slender but their faces are far from feminine either. Lalafells are in their own category.

So we have now two really bulky men, three taller races which varying muscle mass, two average builds and one Lalafell.

[Omymy]

And in other interviews he stated that after introducing Fran they saw how well liked beastial races were thus they thought about introducing one. Honestly their reasonings are changing a lot through different interviews. Vieras were already on the table with Heavensward, we even got artwork of them. They had a bigger role in a raid before the new expansion...so I really doubt that Hrothgar came first and Viera was after that. Because if they already had the Hrothgar race planned, why were they not introduced in the expansion before their release? Why give the Vieras a whole region on the first and let us visit it, while most Hrothgar are just side characters in the story? Why were the Viera shown first and nothing was told about Hrothgar until the last fanfest?

There are interviews were they said that Hrothgar came first, but they are also others who stated the opposite.

In the end one complete race (no matter which of the two) would have been much better. One race to introduce us to, one race to write lore for. One race that can be introduced to us so that they not just suddenly pop up. Instead they divided their power, which in turn made it bad for both imo.

(Also it was still burly man and sexy woman, because they still could have choosen male Viera and female Hrothgar and keep Fran as a possible teaser for the missing female Viera)



So on one side people should not put their personal view in this (which is hard in a discussion because we are all shaped by our personal experience and likes) but at the same time these races are introduced because they appeal to certain people? Isnt that kinda the same? In my personal view I like tall and slender men, so if SE introduce them because more people like them, isnt that serving to my own personal view?

Viera is fanservice. They introduced that race to us by using a well liked character from another game and even though they have their own lore and their own lifestyle they also wear what Fran wears as racial gear..something which imo makes no sense to wear in the forest and that makes them look like sexy tall women.

(Tropes are anywhere btw and are not necessarily bad.)



So Midlanders and Miqote are feminine to you? The two builds that are mostly just average males? Many men around the world will probably groan if they read that just because they are average in height and not bulky they are suddenly feminine. Elezen is tall and slender but their faces are far from feminine either. Lalafells are in their own category.

So we have now two really bulky men, three taller races which varying muscle mass, two average builds and one Lalafell.

Miqotes looks like teen kpop singers. So yeah, pretty femenine.

[SomeRandomHuman]

Miqotes looks like teen kpop singers. So yeah, pretty femenine.

Face =/= bodyshape

Therefore

Kpop singer face =/= feminine bodyshape

As long as there's 1 "young" or "Boyish" face then that part is settled.

The bodyshape/model is a different ballpark.

Or is every average joe suddenly a kpop singer all of a sudden? Cause I want those millions of dollars if so.

[Omymy]

Face =/= bodyshape

Therefore

Kpop singer face =/= feminine bodyshape

As long as there's 1 "young" or "Boyish" face then that part is settled.

The bodyshape/model is a different ballpark.

Or is every average joe suddenly a kpop singer all of a sudden? Cause I want those millions of dollars if so.

Face, bodyshape and all looks like typical asian idol.

I don't know what country you're from, but in Europe, men don't usually have that physiognomy in general. They look like rickety teenagers, for God's sake.

[SomeRandomHuman]

Face, bodyshape and all looks like typical asian idol.

I don't know what country you're from, but in Europe, men don't usually have that physiognomy in general. They look like rickety teenagers, for God's sake.

So a guy with a little bit of musculature is feminine? My how the male power fantasy has taken over. I guess if you're not straight off a men's health magazine then you're a girly-man.

[Gwenorai]

So a guy with a little bit of musculature is feminine? My how the male power fantasy has taken over. I guess if you're not straight off a men's health magazine then you're a girly-man.

This is weird to me. I honestly thought that midlander with max 'define' actually looked pretty damn good. Midlanders and Miqote aren't scrawny, they're pretty well built. And I'm sure the average man does not have biceps that large or defined, or the sixpack. Unless we're talking about their faces where you can make 'feminine' looking males; but that body - that body is all 'male' there is nothing feminine about it.

Face, bodyshape and all looks like typical asian idol.

I don't know what country you're from, but in Europe, men don't usually have that physiognomy in general. They look like rickety teenagers, for God's sake.

I'm also from Europe. I guess if you're comparing them to native Scandinavians or those who literally body build then that's going to be an unfair comparison. I mention Scandinavians because their average height seems to be above 6ft and a lot of the men are built very robust like - not surprising, Odin has blessed them.

The default midlander face isn't Japanese/K-pop - WoL actually looks like an average western dude. I've seen plenty of like him. He actually falls into the trope of western male protags; you know what I mean. White, brunette and light eyes. Nothing wrong with that.

Hrothgar and Roe aren't don't even have a physique that is obtainable. Maybe less so with the Hrothgar actually, it would depend on a lot of things. Right now they're fantasy bodies.

If we're going back to the whole physique of how Viera should look, then blah blah blah - opinion wise, I'd be happy with them being as toned as max defined midlander/highlander with the minimum height of a MidlanderM (at max) and the maxheight of a male (midrange) Elezen.

[Omymy]

So a guy with a little bit of musculature is feminine? My how the male power fantasy has taken over. I guess if you're not straight off a men's health magazine then you're a girly-man.

The musculature, the body, the emotes and the attitude of the average miqote in general. Don't try to manipulate things because the idea I put on the table is quite clear.

[SomeRandomHuman]

The musculature, the body, the emotes and the attitude of the average miqote in general. Don't try to manipulate things because the idea I put on the table is quite clear.

The idea I'm gathering is that if a male is any less muscular than a highlander then they're feminine which is wholly a false statement that has been elaborated few comments above.

As far as emotes I will concede that they may fall into some anime pitfalls on expression(heck their look is pretty much a neko with the eye lines from big cats thrown in).

But their body is far from feminine.