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[Sei_Konsetsu]

There was never any promise to not gender lock races.... Where are people getting that info?

[reivaxe]

There was never any promise to not gender lock races.... Where are people getting that info?

It's one of those things people repeat but never source ... yet they just KNOW it's true somehow.

It's funny because we can source a quote from the man from the time shortly after releasing ARR where he says the idea of male Viera is weird and they would have to find something different for males if they ever did add in Viera ... yet somehow people keep saying he promised no more mono-genders, as if it was some moral stance he made or line he said he'd never cross..

[Kobalos]

There was never any promise to not gender lock races.... Where are people getting that info?

There wasn't. But SE did state in an interview they did not like gender locked races. But SE go back on a lot of things they say. So I would take anything that comes out of Yoshi's mouth with a heavy pinch of salt.

It's one of those things people repeat but never source ... yet they just KNOW it's true somehow.

It's funny because we can source a quote from the man from the time shortly after releasing ARR where he says the idea of male Viera is weird and they would have to find something different for males if they ever did add in Viera ...

Yeah that irked me - Bunny girls in heels and thongs are OK but bunny boys would be weird to exist in game?

[Alleo]

It was less “let’s make a burly man and a sexy woman” and more “we were going to make a full hrothgar race for both genders but we saw how popular viera are but don’t have the resources to produce 2 full races so let’s just replace female hrothgar with female viera”. No matter what, people were going to be upset. If they didn’t have viera as a playable race after teasing us with Fran I guarantee there would have been angry threads in this forum. They just thought that this would be the safest route.

And in other interviews he stated that after introducing Fran they saw how well liked beastial races were thus they thought about introducing one. Honestly their reasonings are changing a lot through different interviews. Vieras were already on the table with Heavensward, we even got artwork of them. They had a bigger role in a raid before the new expansion...so I really doubt that Hrothgar came first and Viera was after that. Because if they already had the Hrothgar race planned, why were they not introduced in the expansion before their release? Why give the Vieras a whole region on the first and let us visit it, while most Hrothgar are just side characters in the story? Why were the Viera shown first and nothing was told about Hrothgar until the last fanfest?

There are interviews were they said that Hrothgar came first, but they are also others who stated the opposite.

In the end one complete race (no matter which of the two) would have been much better. One race to introduce us to, one race to write lore for. One race that can be introduced to us so that they not just suddenly pop up. Instead they divided their power, which in turn made it bad for both imo.

(Also it was still burly man and sexy woman, because they still could have choosen male Viera and female Hrothgar and keep Fran as a possible teaser for the missing female Viera)

Viera to appeal to people who like tall women, (Female Elezen Players) Hrothgar to appeal to people who like big buff men (Male Roe Players)

This is also what I mean by personal agenda btw, stop pushing your personal view when they had to make two aspects of the community happy with more race options. It's not fanservice, it's not using a trope, it's *how do we make people who want Viera happy, and give something to the people who may want bigger body types*

So on one side people should not put their personal view in this (which is hard in a discussion because we are all shaped by our personal experience and likes) but at the same time these races are introduced because they appeal to certain people? Isnt that kinda the same? In my personal view I like tall and slender men, so if SE introduce them because more people like them, isnt that serving to my own personal view?

Viera is fanservice. They introduced that race to us by using a well liked character from another game and even though they have their own lore and their own lifestyle they also wear what Fran wears as racial gear..something which imo makes no sense to wear in the forest and that makes them look like sexy tall women.

(Tropes are anywhere btw and are not necessarily bad.)

Lalafell, miqo'te, au ra, midlanders, and elezen are all races where the males are / can be more feminine. Stop trying to act like there's some over abundance of burly men in this game. There's Highlander, Roegadyn, and now Hrothgar. That's 3 burly versus 5 feminine options. Womp womp for your argument.

So Midlanders and Miqote are feminine to you? The two builds that are mostly just average males? Many men around the world will probably groan if they read that just because they are average in height and not bulky they are suddenly feminine. Elezen is tall and slender but their faces are far from feminine either. Lalafells are in their own category.

So we have now two really bulky men, three taller races which varying muscle mass, two average builds and one Lalafell.

[MitsukiKimura]

If you're going to protest about being upset with no Male Viera then be civil about it. I see people threatening to cancel subscriptions/ Riot/ etc. You only make yourselves look worse and I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't get what you want. Those kind of people I rather see gone. Yoshi P said if the majority of the community wants it, they might look into it but they wanted to stick to the lore. It's honestly not even worth crying about it or throwing a tantrum over.

[Gwenorai]

If you're going to protest about being upset with no Male Viera then be civil about it. I see people threatening to cancel subscriptions/ Riot/ etc. You only make yourselves look worse and I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't get what you want. Those kind of people I rather see gone. Yoshi P said if the majority of the community wants it, they might look into it but they wanted to stick to the lore. It's honestly not even worth crying about it or throwing a tantrum over.

Lore states a Viera can leave if the Wood/Viera race is in danger - which it currently is. This will only change is if the Empire fully stops what they're doing, which may be possible with current events. There are previous posts of mine explaining this. The excuse of lore doesn't stand; however, the excuse of resources and lack of time does. I haven't seen anyone talk about threatening to unsub or riot lately, at least not in an actual serious matter. But anyway, just thought I'd explain the lore part. This is actually from the FF14 lore of Viera.
'You see, the Viera follow a strict code called the ‘Green Word’ that binds them to their land and prohibits all contact with the outside world unless absolutely necessary.”
and
Jenomis cen Lexentale: “ And while the tribes are wholly independent, they have agreed to uphold a single standard: shun all contact with the outside world unless it is to protect the jungle. ”

There's more; that's just some of the lines that basically just have it in black and white rather than the shade of greys, they can't be misinterpreted.

Obviously the absolutely 'necessary' is the threat of their species or the wood/Golmore Jungle.

oh, and have some cute, yet bittersweet lore folks

'‘The value of coexistence will not be found ‘neath a loincloth. Long has our kind endured understanding that the distance 'twixt two bodies does not dictate the distance 'twixt two souls.’”
It seems that males and females do indeed pair off, and perhaps a male does have 'one female' who is his soul mate. It's rather sad that they're forced to be apart. The wording 'endured' certainly springs out as that's not exactly one that says it's been peaches and cream, it's painful and harsh.

It also seems that the males may have this beaten into them - since they did coexist with their siblings and family until they were taken away. A hard lesson to learn. I can only imagine that the war that resulted in them losing their original homeland was something so 'out there' that had them ending up living like this to survive.

[Iscah]

YOSHI YOU DISAPPOINT US! WHERE IS THE YOSHI THAT CARED ABOUT HIS PLAYERS?!

Writing a detailed explanation of why the lack of male Viera and female Hrothgar is due to currently-insurmountable logistical issues and not due to a lack of "caring" or wanting to do it.

[MitsukiKimura]

Maybe he cares more about new Content at the moment, so the players have something to do '-'
There are more important things at the moment than male Viera and female Hrothgar.

This right here^ I personally am looking forward to the new content with the Nier Raid/ Ishgard restoration than some Gender playable race.

[Gwenorai]

This right here^ I personally am looking forward to the new content with the Nier Raid/ Ishgard restoration than some Gender playable race.

I'm pretty sure he cares about all of it since the entirety of the game is basically his legacy. It's pretty insulting to imply that he doesn't give a toss about one thing or the other to suit your narrative on what you prefer. So, unless you're Yoshida - you don't have a right to say what he does or does not care about unless you're directly quoting something he has said that confirms it.

And this isn't just about people not supporting mViera but those who are as well, damn am I sick of people trying to weaponise Yoshida and his 'wants' and imply that the bloody developer doesn't care. Do you know how insulting it is to say that to about a developer? Or any creator mind you. Out of all of the Devs I've seen in MMOs Yoshida has shown he's perhaps the most nonbiased of them all and tries to appease everyone. This is why we're in this situation in the first place in regards to Viera and Hrothgar, they only had resources for one whole race at that time, so they made one male and one female of two different races to try and appease both. To some this is perfectly okay, to others this is disastrous - it's a matter of opinion.

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Anywho, everything that has been announced was basically greenlighted and resources allocated in advance. Adding mViera wouldn't have changed this because the resources have already have been allocated to the already upcoming and current projects. They don't ditch one in favour of the other. I don't understand how people don't understand this. The only way the missing genders would arrive is in the future they allow resources to the project - since Yoshida can't confirm then it means for the upcoming year or so they are rather full and have no 'spare' resources, unless they somehow streamline their productivity more so and make it easier to overcome some issues. The issues being able to maintain the races after release.

[Kobalos]

This right here^ I personally am looking forward to the new content with the Nier Raid/ Ishgard restoration than some Gender playable race.

Also possible to look forward to the Neir raid and Ishgard restoration aswell as be miffed about the genderlock