Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Tabbs]

Just saying, but fanservice has a definition and almost everything in this game is some form of fanservice. Viera and Hrothgar are absolutely fanservice, as per definition. That is fact, and there's nothing wrong with it.

Yes, it is probably a matter of resources and pleasing the most amount of people, but I think it is also absurd to say "you're not allowed to be mad" or "don't bring your agenda here" to people who constantly lose out to strong/burly men and cute/sexy women stereotypes and want to be included or are annoyed that this is what SE went with.

The market is oversaturated with online games where the men are either strong/hyper-masculine/monstrous types and the women are cute/kemonomimi/sexy types, so you'll excuse us for wanting something different for once.

[Nynuwe]

Thanks to this thread, I can't get the image of a female Hrothgar in a sexy subligar off my mind. Not necessarily a bad thing.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

Just saying, but fanservice has a definition and almost everything in this game is some form of fanservice. Viera and Hrothgar are absolutely fanservice, as per definition. That is fact, and there's nothing wrong with it.

Yes, it is probably a matter of resources and pleasing the most amount of people, but I think it is also absurd to say "you're not allowed to be mad" or "don't bring your agenda here" to people who constantly lose out to strong/burly men and cute/sexy women stereotypes and want to be included or are annoyed that this is what SE went with.

The market is oversaturated with online games where the men are either strong/hyper-masculine/monstrous types and the women are cute/kemonomimi/sexy types, so you'll excuse us for wanting something different for once.

Lalafell, miqo'te, au ra, midlanders, and elezen are all races where the males are / can be more feminine. Stop trying to act like there's some over abundance of burly men in this game. There's Highlander, Roegadyn, and now Hrothgar. That's 3 burly versus 5 feminine options. Womp womp for your argument.

[Tabbs]

Lalafell, miqo'te, au ra, midlanders, and elezen are all races where the males are / can be more feminine. Stop trying to act like there's some over abundance of burly men in this game. There's Highlander, Roegadyn, and now Hrothgar. That's 3 burly versus 5 feminine options. Womp womp for your argument.

I'm not trying to act like anything, don't assume something that I didn't say. No where in my post did I say "their is an over abundance of burly men in this game", but rather: in the industry as a whole.

That being said, your argument is very biased. "3 vs 5" is a stretch when 3 of them are variations of humans (do you consider yourself to be feminine just because you're essentially a hyur?) and one of them literally a dragon race that towers over literally everyone else (which I would consider to be masculine). At any rate, its not SOLEY about masc vs fem. It's about tropes and how gender-locks almost always follow that formula of masc vs fem, or monster vs cute animal human. Its rare to see a race (in any game) like miqote (a previously female-locked race, mind you) where the males are also allowed to be short and have kemonomimi features, not necessarily that they have the capability of being feminine, though that can be a part of it.

EDIT: I should add that a full hrothgar race wouldve been as much a solution as anything. I'm not ATTACKING burly races or men, I'm attacking the lame stereotype they went with. Burly catmoms to go with catdads would have been way better than 2 typical gender-locked races.

[Jybril]

Some people have said it's a lore thing and that's why they aren't in the game.

So on the one hand, I agree wholeheartedly that it's non-inclusive. On the other, though, if it's the lore, and if male Viera aren't available for that reason, how would they introduce it? I seriously doubt this was intentionally exclusive, but that doesn't make it any less so. In other words, from what I've been told, there's a reason it's gender locked. I just don't know what that reason is.

Disclaimer: Please don't attack. Seriously. I'm new to this game and its lore and I'm truly trying to understand why it wasn't made available. From what I gather, the male Viera are extremely rare or some such thing.. or they don't come out and fight... or something.

Lack of time and resources. The devs said it was straining to even put these races out
and if you look at the new races, you call tell that they really did a rushed job at it.

Not attacking you Walx but I really do hate the whole lore argument for this situation.
I dunno if people are trolling or misinformed or actually think this.
Like they the folks who made this game told us why and people are STILL saying "It's lore! It's lore!"

[Nynuwe]

Some people have said it's a lore thing and that's why they aren't in the game.

So on the one hand, I agree wholeheartedly that it's non-inclusive. On the other, though, if it's the lore, and if male Viera aren't available for that reason, how would they introduce it? I seriously doubt this was intentionally exclusive, but that doesn't make it any less so. In other words, from what I've been told, there's a reason it's gender locked. I just don't know what that reason is.

Disclaimer: Please don't attack. Seriously. I'm new to this game and its lore and I'm truly trying to understand why it wasn't made available. From what I gather, the male Viera are extremely rare or some such thing.. or they don't come out and fight... or something.

I will point you this this reply pertaining lore:

Anyway, blah blah - the Viera literally already have a backdoor failsafe in regards to lore if they were to be released. A male Viera can and will leave the wood if it requires them to do so. Basically their green word - their spirit, the voice of the wood - commands them. If it tells them to leave in order to save the wood, etc - they will. They will leave to also get help if it means saving the wood. The fact we didn't see males in ShB is just because they wouldn't show a male NPC. Anyway, I believe in the Japanese version they're stated to be like 'terminators/assassins' who actually hunt down those who are threats to the wood.

TLDR: A male Viera will leave the wood if the ends justify abandoning their guard duty in order to save their people and the wood. WoL/WoD is literally the perfect role for them to leave. The lore doesn't need to be retconned - it has a literal explanation for why a male viera can leave without being branded a traitor to the wood. You just won't see any NPCs - and other players mViera characters don't count in regards to your story.

Furthermore, there was some discussion about male Viera being aggressive towards females. They're described as manly and macho, in FF12 - and aggressive to outsiders. Not their females. They are however aggressive to one another as they have to compete with one another for resources and the best places to camp, the kits aren't like this. Seems to be something that they learn with their training. The Viera male we almost meet in ShB wasn't portrayed as being aggressive towards the females, or us; doubt the female warrior would have been happy to introduce us to a bloke who would rightfully shove a spear in our necks even after an introduction. Furthermore, another Viera daydreams about her father - well, rather she falls asleep and mutters about her father. No terrified tone is used - which you think it would be if the males were straight-up GRRRRRRR.

Anywho, have fun folks.

There's a failsafe, so no worries on whether they will be able to fit the lore around it. And this will be easily how. All it would require is to write quests into thee MSQ where we are seen to the forests where Viera live, and we are formally introduced to the male Viera in dire need of help. After X events, they decide to join our cause as a way to protect their home. On the next patch, the male Viera become available for play.

[Anathaer]

I know I came in late to the party but I want to officially share in our wish for male Viera. I was disappointed they attempted this dirty trick again after promising never to do it again after the whole Miqo'te debacle. The PROMISED and what do they do with Shadowbringers? Bring in gender locked races which they promised to never do again. I want a male viera, not interested in the Hrothgar but YES they should also add female Hrothgar. This gender locking is an insult, betrayal and fat finger towards their fan database. And before people reply to me saying 'but lore' Stick it where the sun don't shine. The same was about Miqo'te and they have both races.

[Anathaer]

@Nynuwe: You linked a VERY good argument there. I wish SE would wake up and start working on our male Viera and female Hrothgar! Like I said in my general reply, when they had the exact same response of players about the Miqo'te they promised to never do it again, gender locking that is, so this just shows that not even SE can be trusted to keep to their word. Though we wished it to be otherwise. YOSHI YOU DISAPPOINT US! WHERE IS THE YOSHI THAT CARED ABOUT HIS PLAYERS?!

[Valor_C]

YOSHI YOU DISAPPOINT US! WHERE IS THE YOSHI THAT CARED ABOUT HIS PLAYERS?!

Maybe he cares more about new Content at the moment, so the players have something to do '-'
There are more important things at the moment than male Viera and female Hrothgar.

[Halivel]

Miqo'te debacle

Tip: Also female Roegadyns and female Highlanders. Yes, 1.0 had 3 one-gender races.