Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Senn]

I think they could be between elezen and higlander, but that's truly a possibility. I think they'll be the same as female viera pretty much in terms of height

Agreed. I wouldn't mind if they were between highlander/midlander height, but I think the males would most likely be around the same height as the females.

[Halivel]

Hmm, looking at this I would say there's a big gap between highlander and midlander - perhaps they could fit in there? I'm not going below miqote because ew at such a huge difference when they would already be smaller between highlander and midlander. This wouldn't be counting their ears.

*remembers those who said that we have toooooones of short males, looks at metric where 5 out of 8 options are 180+ in their minimum height and 4 out of these 5 are mainly 200+* ye. we have enough short options. sure. ツ (no we don't)

[Lauront]

*remembers those who said that we have toooooones of short males, looks at metric where 5 out of 8 options are 180+ in their minimum height and 4 out of these 5 are mainly 200+* ye. we have enough short options. sure. ツ (no we don't)

Again, it's a problem that is superable by simply giving them a broad height range, e.g. between elezen max and miqo'te min, rather than shoehorning them into the short category just to appease some criterion/quota of X% of short races etc., which is an uncreative means of determining race attributes besides.

Were they to make them the same height as the females, they'd fill that area, anyway.

I mean it's not like there's a huge need to add a female option between Highlander and Midlander just because there's a gap there.

[Gwenorai]

Aye, I'd personally want them taller than highlander - honestly. But I wouldn't complain so much if they were just above a midlander. It's when they're pushed below that where I start to get worried.

[Lauront]

AFAIC, it should be between Elezen and Highlander, much like the females... and they can add a little more leeway at the bottom end of the slider.

[Adamantini]

I tried so hard, and got so far. But in the end, I will keep my male Miqo'te

[Halivel]

Again, it's a problem that is superable by simply giving them a broad height range, e.g. between elezen max and miqo'te min, rather than shoehorning them into the short category just to appease some criterion/quota of X% of short races etc., which is an uncreative means of determining race attributes besides.

Were they to make them the same height as the females, they'd fill that area, anyway.

I mean it's not like there's a huge need to add a female option between Highlander and Midlander just because there's a gap there.

Yeah, I'm agree with this, just was ironic about the fact that I often heard "we have enough short males" when it's actually not like this - we just have a lot of tall males which make average height look like it's short when it's not. As for mViera, I definitely can imagine them in same gap as fVieras so they still will be tall enough but also not gigantic. Having a huuuge gap as in your suggestion will probably be the win-win option but that's about 50cm.. even fRoes, who have biggest gap among all races and genders, have only 30 cm of difference in their min and max height. Not sure if we can get something like this for them, too. Would be cool.

Aside from this, if there is very empty gap, it will be the one between Lalas and Au Ra/Miqo'te (depending on gender). But this one probably gonna stay empty for an eternity.

[Lauront]

Yeah, I'm agree with this, just was ironic about the fact that I often heard "we have enough short males" when it's actually not like this - we just have a lot of tall males which make average height look like it's short when it's not. As for mViera, I definitely can imagine them in same gap as fVieras so they still will be tall enough but also not gigantic. Having a huuuge gap as in your suggestion will probably be the win-win option but that's about 50cm.. even fRoes, who have biggest gap among all races and genders, have only 30 cm of difference in their min and max height. Not sure if we can get something like this for them, too. Would be cool.

Aside from this, if there is very empty gap, it will be the one between Lalas and Au Ra/Miqo'te (depending on gender). But this one probably gonna stay empty for an eternity.

Oh I agree that there aren't that many genuinely short races. I think the issue which came up a lot was whether you could design softer males, and you can with Miqo'te, Midlanders and Elezen, so that's more so the area where I don't consider there to be a lack of options, although more customisation being opened up in that regard would be a good thing - hence why I'm eager to see it introduced. Although more because I like buffer options, myself, but it'd go both ways.

In terms of a shorter race, they've just ruled out child races. Something like the XII moogles, or Nu mou (just not a beast tribe) could still come to inhabit that area... if they ever add another race.

As for the slider differential, I think they could probably get away with something like 35cm. Say they kept them at Highlander height, i.e. 200cm, you'd then get a minimum of 165cm. Not sure how easy it'd be, but since it is feasible with as big a difference as 30cm for Roe females, I'm wondering if they could do something like 40cm for the male Viera, in which case you could see something like 165-205cm.

I'm not keen on it myself, but it'd appease those who want the ability to make shorter variants, and when you consider that human males tend to have fatter tail ends in their height bell curve distributions for evolutionary reasons, it'd make sense, especially for a race like Viera, prone to even greater extremes, where the males lead pretty solitary existences as hunters. So I'd take it as a compromise to avoid their max height being capped below the females'.

[Mugear_bahamut]

Yeah, I'm agree with this, just was ironic about the fact that I often heard "we have enough short males" when it's actually not like this - we just have a lot of tall males which make average height look like it's short when it's not. As for mViera, I definitely can imagine them in same gap as fVieras so they still will be tall enough but also not gigantic. Having a huuuge gap as in your suggestion will probably be the win-win option but that's about 50cm.. even fRoes, who have biggest gap among all races and genders, have only 30 cm of difference in their min and max height. Not sure if we can get something like this for them, too. Would be cool.

Aside from this, if there is very empty gap, it will be the one between Lalas and Au Ra/Miqo'te (depending on gender). But this one probably gonna stay empty for an eternity.

I'd still vote for lower than Miqote size for males. Tall guys have enough options. Short guys have cat boi or dwarf.
For that gap between female highlander and midlander...Hrothgar.

[Mugear_bahamut]

In terms of a shorter race, they've just ruled out child races. Something like the XII moogles, or Nu mou (just not a beast tribe) could still come to inhabit that area... if they ever add another race.

Having a shorter option than Miqote doesn't equal child-rights abuse. fMiqote and fAu Ra only have a 3.7cm difference Min/Max. If applied to mViera that would be Min 155.5cm Max 165.5cm and that's fine with me.