Reimbursement for Lost Tomes due to Wrongful use of Kick

[Alklios]

How can you prove that this problem is rampant? How can you prove that it affects thousands of players? You have nothing but anecdotes—and some of these anecdotes are likely not even entirely truthful in nature. You have no actual statistics of the amount of legitimate kicks versus the amount of abusive kicks.

Do you know what the GMs and the developers have? Statistics. They can see how many vote dismissals are deemed abusive or not, and can choose to act or make an announcement if they find it swinging towards the former. Considering they have never made any comments about how there’s an excess of abusive kicks compared to legitimate ones, it’s likely not as rampant as you are saying it is.

And your dismissal is very relevant when you made a big deal of making it the very first thing you mentioned in your opening post. You making this suggestion is completely selfish in nature. Don’t act like it’s not. You were kicked from a dungeon, got mad about it, and came here to demand that you be compensated tomestones when the GMs told you that they wouldn’t compensate you for something you didn’t earn. Please don’t try to act like this thread was made out of concern for those poor, unfortunate souls who are victims of abusive vote dismissals. This thread was started out of concern for yourself and no one else.

Editing your opening post to try and save face doesn’t help you. It only hurts you.

If that's the image you want to paint, you may. That someone is crazy enough to go through all this trouble to get a pity party which is irrelevant. I've never seen the words 'Aelfred deserves reimbursement and none else.' You're so confident with painting a picture to derail the thesis, the literal title of the thread which contains no 'I' statement, into something to make it easier to attack the individual and create a flood of ad-hominems.

The developers have statistics on it being a problem and any google check shows it being a historical problem. They have the statistics, and either have decided not to help out these victims or haven't considered it, which I assume the latter due to the repeat of the GM encouraging my post here. It's been my stance honestly for awhile, I only bothered to come here because they suggested it. If I just was enraged and prompted it here at the first time, I would have posted this thread years ago.

Please stop this. I just want people to consider the thread title, even if I have to make the first post blank from hereon to stop derailing it with all the assumed intents. Blank as hell, just for people to digest the raw bones of title.

[HyoMinPark]

Again, idk why all of you are concerned over sympathy and thumbs up.

I always love when this argument shows up. Does it honestly surprise people that some of us don’t give a flying flip about virtual internet points? If I was after karma, I’d go post Miqo’te fanart on the subreddit. But instead I’m here.

There's a problem, we need to find ways to abate it.

What problem? You mean the one that you can’t actually prove is as pervasive as you’re saying it is? Or the one where you didn’t get your tomestones? Because your motivation for this thread had nothing to do with others getting wrongfully dismissed and everything with you demanding compensation.

You don't want to believe there's a problem? Compare old Q times to the mentioned data center b/f and after the server drops, reflecting how many people (and many of my friends) left the toxicity using their free server hop they didn't consider before.

The Crystal servers had perfectly fine queues when it was still a part of Aether. Are you trying to imply otherwise? What are you even implying here?

As for why so many supposedly left Crystal: quite a few moved to Aether because we’re the raid-heavy NA data center and they wanted to raid. I know a raiding FC of Balmung moved off and settled on Jenova purely for raiding. Not because of this “toxicity”.

If that's the image you want to paint, you may. That someone is crazy enough to go through all this trouble to get a pity party which is irrelevant. I've never seen the words 'Aelfred deserves reimbursement and none else.' You're so confident with painting a picture to derail the thesis, the literal title of the thread which contains no 'I' statement, into something to make it easier to attack the individual and create a flood of ad-hominems.

Please stop this. I just want people to consider the thread title, even if I have to make the first post blank from hereon to stop derailing it with all the assumed intents. Blank as hell, just for people to digest the raw bones of title.

Your thread title was lost when you spent the first half of your original post ranting about your own dismissal, my dude.

I’ve already addressed your suggestion multiple times. But to placate you, here it is again: this isn’t a necessary feature and I think the GMs can find better uses of their time. You cannot prove that this problem is as pervasive as you claim.

The developers have statistics on it being a problem and any google check shows it being a historical problem. They have the statistics, and either have decided not to help out these victims or haven't considered it, which I assume the latter due to the repeat of the GM encouraging my post here. It's been my stance honestly for awhile, I only bothered to come here because they suggested it. If I just was enraged and prompted it here at the first time, I would have posted this thread years ago.

These are anecdotes. Do you understand what anecdotes are? They aren’t facts. They aren’t statistics.

[Alklios]

Your thread title was lost when you spent the first half of your original post ranting about your own dismissal, my dude.

You can call a personal experience a rant if you want. Seeing no name callouts and no derogitory comments thrown probably weakens that argument.

If you give up a thread title for a few sentences of an introduction of problem, the reading problem may lie with you.

I at least make the suggestion so they can tie it with their data and see if its a possible solution or any level of compromise afterward would help.

[HyoMinPark]

You can call a personal experience a rant if you want. Seeing no name callouts and no derogitory comments thrown probably weakens that argument.

Not at all. Ranting doesn’t have to involve either of these.

If you give up a thread title for a few sentences of an introduction of problem, the reading problem may lie with you.

Introductions are the most important part of a proposal. When you introduce your suggestion with nothing about how you were wronged, people begin to question your motives.

You seem very concerned about my reading skills, but I can assure you they are fine. In the event you missed it, I actually addressed your suggestion in Post #24 before any of this conversation even happened. I’ll post it here for your reading convenience.

There is no need to reimburse you when you can literally just queue up for the Roulette/duty again after being dismissed. You didn’t lose your reward—you just never earned it because you didn’t complete the duty. Tomes are not awarded until after the final boss of the dungeon is killed (even though the game tells you “You earn [x amount of y tomes]” mid-duty, they aren’t actually given to you until after you beat the dungeon).

If you feel like these individuals were abusing the Vote Dismiss feature, by all means, report them. But you cannot demand compensation when you can just requeue immediately afterwards and earn your tomes with a party that won’t kick you before the last boss. Yeah, it sucks that your time was wasted; I won’t deny that. But you can’t just demand free tomestones for it.

Let me make it known that I still stand by this. And I also still question your true motives behind this suggestion. I don’t think they were fueled by as much altruism as you’d like to portray the last few posts. There’s nothing wrong with making a selfish suggestion, but at least don’t pretend you aren’t being selfish when you make it.